In four years you won't have to vote again
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@Jolly It’s precisely what he said, though I think it’s clear it’s not what he meant. A clarification was in order.
wrote on 30 Jul 2024, 21:03 last edited by@jon-nyc said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Jolly It’s precisely what he said, though I think it’s clear it’s not what he meant. A clarification was in order.
If you went back and caught the original speech - not the snippet - the crowd knew what he said and what he meant.
Ingraham helped clarify for those who had their panties in a wad over a non-issue.
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wrote on 30 Jul 2024, 22:25 last edited by
It was a nice gift to the Harris campaign.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 01:07 last edited by
As has been the case for the past 8 years, most of the problems President Trump has are self created.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 01:52 last edited by Jolly
Bullshit.
And I do mean bullshit. Does Trump make some dumb or oddball statements? Yes, occasionally.
But nobody under the type of microscope he lives under is perfect. Every possible error -I said possible, not actual - is immediately pounced upon by the media, even if they have to cut the tape to make their story.
In the meantime, the media was in the tank for Biden and his campaign. The man was starting to have cognitive problems in 2020. He has gotten worse as time has passed, but the media was covering for him like a cat covering up shit.
It wasn't until the man literally imploded on a huge national stage that people knew the emperor had no clothes and the media was forced to report on The Resident's problems.
I do not understand how people who have been so thoroughly gaslighted, had smoke blown up their ass so hard that smoke shot out of their nostrils, are suddenly ascribing to the media a level of veracity normally reserved for the Ten Commandments.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 02:11 last edited by
I agree that the press has been unfair to President Trump, but I still believe that a lot of the problems he has is his own fault.
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I agree that the press has been unfair to President Trump, but I still believe that a lot of the problems he has is his own fault.
wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 02:12 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
I agree that the press has been unfair to President Trump, but I still believe that a lot of the problems he has is his own fault.
Some, yes.
But be fair. Don't buy the bullshit.
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Bullshit.
And I do mean bullshit. Does Trump make some dumb or oddball statements? Yes, occasionally.
But nobody under the type of microscope he lives under is perfect. Every possible error -I said possible, not actual - is immediately pounced upon by the media, even if they have to cut the tape to make their story.
In the meantime, the media was in the tank for Biden and his campaign. The man was starting to have cognitive problems in 2020. He has gotten worse as time has passed, but the media was covering for him like a cat covering up shit.
It wasn't until the man literally imploded on a huge national stage that people knew the emperor had no clothes and the media was forced to report on The Resident's problems.
I do not understand how people who have been so thoroughly gaslighted, had smoke blown up their ass so hard that smoke shot out of their nostrils, are suddenly ascribing to the media a level of veracity normally reserved for the Ten Commandments.
wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 03:34 last edited by@Jolly said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Does Trump make some dumb or oddball statements? Yes,
occasionallyfrequently.More like a daily occurrence.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 04:10 last edited by
Maybe you'll have a chance to parse his every word, as he speaks from the Oval Office.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 07:45 last edited by
Trump is a guy who many, including myself, think has a "problematic" relationship to the pillars of democracy, such as accepting the results of an election.
To then go ahead and make such an ambiguous statement, even if he means it in a different way, is either unbelievably silly, or it illustrates that he does in fact have a problem with democracy.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 10:29 last edited by Jolly
Okay, we'll go down this path again...Although what he said in the speech doesn't have anything to do with a democracy problem.
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
So if you bought into the "Democracy In Peril" BS, that was preceded by the failed "Bidenomics" messaging, the Dems have now pretty much shifted from DIP to "Republicans Are Weird". That's the campaign BS this week. Stay tuned, it will change.
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Okay, we'll go down this path again...Although what he said in the speech doesn't have anything to do with a democracy problem.
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
So if you bought into the "Democracy In Peril" BS, that was preceded by the failed "Bidenomics" messaging, the Dems have now pretty much shifted from DIP to "Republicans Are Weird". That's the campaign BS this week. Stay tuned, it will change.
wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 10:55 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Jolly said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Okay, we'll go down this path again...Although what he said in the speech doesn't have anything to do with a democracy problem.
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
So if you bought into the "Democracy In Peril" BS, that was preceded by the failed "Bidenomics" messaging, the Dems have now pretty much shifted from DIP to "Republicans Are Weird". That's the campaign BS this week. Stay tuned, it will change.
So to summarize: When Trump says democracy is under attack and the election was stolen you have no problem buying into his claim which he fully believes. When the other side says it, they're gullible idiots or ridiculous liars. Does that cover it?
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@Jolly said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Okay, we'll go down this path again...Although what he said in the speech doesn't have anything to do with a democracy problem.
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
So if you bought into the "Democracy In Peril" BS, that was preceded by the failed "Bidenomics" messaging, the Dems have now pretty much shifted from DIP to "Republicans Are Weird". That's the campaign BS this week. Stay tuned, it will change.
So to summarize: When Trump says democracy is under attack and the election was stolen you have no problem buying into his claim which he fully believes. When the other side says it, they're gullible idiots or ridiculous liars. Does that cover it?
wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 11:06 last edited by Jolly@Doctor-Phibes said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Jolly said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Okay, we'll go down this path again...Although what he said in the speech doesn't have anything to do with a democracy problem.
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
So if you bought into the "Democracy In Peril" BS, that was preceded by the failed "Bidenomics" messaging, the Dems have now pretty much shifted from DIP to "Republicans Are Weird". That's the campaign BS this week. Stay tuned, it will change.
So to summarize: When Trump says democracy is under attack and the election was stolen you have no problem buying into his claim which he fully believes. When the other side says it, they're gullible idiots or ridiculous liars. Does that cover it?
Look at the Arizona primary results from last night. As I said, I have lots of company.
How did we elect a man to be president, who was starting to lurch into senility ahd campaigned from his basement? We "elected" him with 81M votes, 58% which were mail-in ballots.
I don't think we have ever quite come to grips with The Swamp line, that that was a free and fair election. The Dems further reinforce that perception by fighting any type of election reform tooth and nail.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 11:36 last edited by Doctor Phibes
I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on on both sides of the divide.
How did we elect a man to be president, who was starting to lurch into senility ahd campaigned from his basement? We "elected" him with 81M votes, 58% which were mail-in ballots.
The fact that ridiculous candidates get voted in isn't evidence of fraud. Other people have asked themselves how on earth somebody like Donald Trump can get elected. People I know outside the US laughed at me in 2015 when I said I thought he could win it. You can't see it, perhaps, but to many people he appears like a bad joke.
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Okay, we'll go down this path again...Although what he said in the speech doesn't have anything to do with a democracy problem.
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
So if you bought into the "Democracy In Peril" BS, that was preceded by the failed "Bidenomics" messaging, the Dems have now pretty much shifted from DIP to "Republicans Are Weird". That's the campaign BS this week. Stay tuned, it will change.
wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 12:33 last edited by@Jolly said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
Even if all that were true, a very substantial number of people in the US do believe that Trump could be a threat to democracy and the rule of law. Given that that is the case, a reasonable person would be very precise and careful in what he or she says about these things. A reasonable person would not want his political opponents to be in doubt about whether he plays be the rules, because that leads to completely unproductive polarisation and aggression.
Even if you ignore the debate about the 2020 election, Trump has a long history of ambiguous or even non-ambiguous statements playing with his contempt of playing by the rules of democracy and constitution.
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@Jolly said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
Even if all that were true, a very substantial number of people in the US do believe that Trump could be a threat to democracy and the rule of law. Given that that is the case, a reasonable person would be very precise and careful in what he or she says about these things. A reasonable person would not want his political opponents to be in doubt about whether he plays be the rules, because that leads to completely unproductive polarisation and aggression.
Even if you ignore the debate about the 2020 election, Trump has a long history of ambiguous or even non-ambiguous statements playing with his contempt of playing by the rules of democracy and constitution.
wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 12:48 last edited by@Klaus said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Jolly said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
Even if all that were true, a very substantial number of people in the US do believe that Trump could be a threat to democracy and the rule of law. Given that that is the case, a reasonable person would be very precise and careful in what he or she says about these things. A reasonable person would not want his political opponents to be in doubt about whether he plays be the rules, because that leads to completely unproductive polarisation and aggression.
On other words, a reasonable person would kowtow to political radicals?
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wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 12:50 last edited by Doctor Phibes
Reasonable person? You're having a laugh. Trumpy badger doesn't give a shit.
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Reasonable person? You're having a laugh. Trumpy badger doesn't give a shit.
wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 12:52 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Reasonable person? You're having a laugh. Trumpy badger doesn't give a shit.
Do you think he should?
Please show me where reason and temperance has gotten any republican anywhere when dealing with the wokes. I'm serious.
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@Klaus said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Jolly said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Trump thinks he was rooked in the 2020 election. He did everything he legally could, to fight the result, including exploring some unique Constitutional avenues. But at no time did he step outside of the law nor did he fail to leave office when all legal avenues failed. (And yeah, think think he got rooked, too. In more than one way. I have lots of company in that view).
Even if all that were true, a very substantial number of people in the US do believe that Trump could be a threat to democracy and the rule of law. Given that that is the case, a reasonable person would be very precise and careful in what he or she says about these things. A reasonable person would not want his political opponents to be in doubt about whether he plays be the rules, because that leads to completely unproductive polarisation and aggression.
On other words, a reasonable person would kowtow to political radicals?
wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 12:57 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
On other words, a reasonable person would kowtow to political radicals?
No, that's not at all what I said. Is being precise and careful in one's speech "kowtow"? Also, it's barely only the radicals who have question marks about Trump and democracy. Is @jon-nyc a radical? Am I?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
On other words, a reasonable person would kowtow to political radicals?
No, that's not at all what I said. Is being precise and careful in one's speech "kowtow"? Also, it's barely only the radicals who have question marks about Trump and democracy. Is @jon-nyc a radical? Am I?
wrote on 31 Jul 2024, 13:08 last edited by@Klaus said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
On other words, a reasonable person would kowtow to political radicals?
No, that's not at all what I said. Is being precise and careful in one's speech "kowtow"?
More precise and careful than writing "polarisation" I guess.
Also, it's barely only the radicals who have question marks about Trump and democracy. Is @jon-nyc a radical? Am I?
I honestly think it's a bit silly that out of all things fucked up with this upcoming election, this is what you chose to worry about.