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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

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    @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

    Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

    He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

      Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

      He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

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      @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

      @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

      Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

      He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

      I'm guessing they're not on speaking terms at this point. It's a very sad story, but it's also possible there's more than one side to it. He's described her as a communist who thinks anyone rich is evil.

      I'm not sure I'd talk about my kids in public like this. He/she is only 20.

      I was only joking

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        @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

        @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

        Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

        He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

        I'm guessing they're not on speaking terms at this point. It's a very sad story, but it's also possible there's more than one side to it. He's described her as a communist who thinks anyone rich is evil.

        I'm not sure I'd talk about my kids in public like this. He/she is only 20.

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        @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

        @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

        @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

        Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

        He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

        I'm not sure I'd talk about my kids in public like this. He/she is only 20.

        I think this is all in context of what he’s doing. He doesn’t feel that he can adequately explain his complete 180 turn in direction over the last 4 years without telling this story. It seems likely that this played a part in the purchase of Twitter as well as the move from California and such. He honestly feels like he has lost his son, feels like he was lied to by the doctors and more.

        The Brad

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          https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665

          Vivian Jenna Wilson, the transgender daughter of Elon Musk, said Thursday in her first interview that he was an absent father who was cruel to her as a child for being queer and feminine.

          Wilson, 20, in an exclusive interview with NBC News, responded to comments Musk made Monday about her and her transgender identity. On social media and in an interview posted online, Musk said she was “not a girl” and was figuratively “dead,” and he alleged that he had been “tricked” into authorizing trans-related medical treatment for her when she was 16.

          Wilson said that Musk hadn’t been tricked and that, after initially having hesitated, he knew what he was doing when he agreed to her treatment, which required consent from her parents.

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

            @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

            @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

            Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

            He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

            I'm not sure I'd talk about my kids in public like this. He/she is only 20.

            I think this is all in context of what he’s doing. He doesn’t feel that he can adequately explain his complete 180 turn in direction over the last 4 years without telling this story. It seems likely that this played a part in the purchase of Twitter as well as the move from California and such. He honestly feels like he has lost his son, feels like he was lied to by the doctors and more.

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            @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

            @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

            @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

            Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

            He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

            I'm not sure I'd talk about my kids in public like this. He/she is only 20.

            I think this is all in context of what he’s doing. He doesn’t feel that he can adequately explain his complete 180 turn in direction over the last 4 years without telling this story. It seems likely that this played a part in the purchase of Twitter as well as the move from California and such. He honestly feels like he has lost his son, feels like he was lied to by the doctors and more.

            Obviously, we can't know the full story here, but this really shouldn't be primarily about him and how he feels. It feels like he's throwing his son/daughter under the bus. He's supposed to be the adult here. And his child isn't dead. That's a fucking terrible thing to say about them.

            Yes, clearly there's a ton of stuff going on here, and more than one person may have made a really bad mistake. But doesn't a parent have a responsibility to look after their kids above all else even when they fuck up?

            I was only joking

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              Jordan enables Elon. Elon enables Jordan.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

                He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

                I'm not sure I'd talk about my kids in public like this. He/she is only 20.

                I think this is all in context of what he’s doing. He doesn’t feel that he can adequately explain his complete 180 turn in direction over the last 4 years without telling this story. It seems likely that this played a part in the purchase of Twitter as well as the move from California and such. He honestly feels like he has lost his son, feels like he was lied to by the doctors and more.

                Obviously, we can't know the full story here, but this really shouldn't be primarily about him and how he feels. It feels like he's throwing his son/daughter under the bus. He's supposed to be the adult here. And his child isn't dead. That's a fucking terrible thing to say about them.

                Yes, clearly there's a ton of stuff going on here, and more than one person may have made a really bad mistake. But doesn't a parent have a responsibility to look after their kids above all else even when they fuck up?

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                @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

                He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

                I'm not sure I'd talk about my kids in public like this. He/she is only 20.

                I think this is all in context of what he’s doing. He doesn’t feel that he can adequately explain his complete 180 turn in direction over the last 4 years without telling this story. It seems likely that this played a part in the purchase of Twitter as well as the move from California and such. He honestly feels like he has lost his son, feels like he was lied to by the doctors and more.

                Obviously, we can't know the full story here, but this really shouldn't be primarily about him and how he feels. It feels like he's throwing his son/daughter under the bus. He's supposed to be the adult here. And his child isn't dead. That's a fucking terrible thing to say about them.

                Yes, clearly there's a ton of stuff going on here, and more than one person may have made a really bad mistake. But doesn't a parent have a responsibility to look after their kids above all else even when they fuck up?

                I’m not going to disagree with that, but the child does need to accept the support.

                In this case, it’s obvious that Elon has had a significant shift in views and beliefs over the last 5 years or so, and a shift that is impacting his charitable and his political spending in large ways that is attracting much media attention. It’s only appropriate for him to be able to tell his side of the story as well, especially when all of this ultimately affects 3 public companies….

                The Brad

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                • B blondie

                  Jordan enables Elon. Elon enables Jordan.

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                  @blondie said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                  Jordan enables Elon. Elon enables Jordan.

                  Exactly. 👍

                  Elbows up!

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                    @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                    Haven’t watched the video. Does he mean literally dead? Because I was pretty sure his son was alive and living as a woman named Vivian.

                    He’s saying that transitioning kills the child you had. There might be somebody named Vivian but his son is dead…

                    I'm not sure I'd talk about my kids in public like this. He/she is only 20.

                    I think this is all in context of what he’s doing. He doesn’t feel that he can adequately explain his complete 180 turn in direction over the last 4 years without telling this story. It seems likely that this played a part in the purchase of Twitter as well as the move from California and such. He honestly feels like he has lost his son, feels like he was lied to by the doctors and more.

                    Obviously, we can't know the full story here, but this really shouldn't be primarily about him and how he feels. It feels like he's throwing his son/daughter under the bus. He's supposed to be the adult here. And his child isn't dead. That's a fucking terrible thing to say about them.

                    Yes, clearly there's a ton of stuff going on here, and more than one person may have made a really bad mistake. But doesn't a parent have a responsibility to look after their kids above all else even when they fuck up?

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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                    But doesn't a parent have a responsibility to look after their kids above all else even when they fuck up?

                    In what universe does that actually happen? Especially when the kid tells you to go fuck yourself?

                    Please love yourself.

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                      I trade both for Hitch.

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                        But doesn't a parent have a responsibility to look after their kids above all else even when they fuck up?

                        In what universe does that actually happen? Especially when the kid tells you to go fuck yourself?

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                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson w Elon Musk:

                        But doesn't a parent have a responsibility to look after their kids above all else even when they fuck up?

                        In what universe does that actually happen? Especially when the kid tells you to go fuck yourself?

                        Universes where the parent acts like an adult?

                        Naming kids X Æ A-Xii, Exa Dark Sideræl and Techno Mechanicus doesn't exactly scream 'Fucking awesome parent' at me.

                        I was only joking

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                          The other side of the story.

                          https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/elon-musks-transgender-daughter-in-first-interview-says-he-berated-her-for-being-queer-as-a-child/5633034/?sfnsn=wa

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            I never pictured Musk as a doting father.

                            Education is extremely important.

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