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Down the Nessun Dorma Rathole

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    If y'all don't remember...

    At the 1998 Grammys, Pavarotti was supposed to sing the famous aria from Turandot. He canceled due to illness. Having 30 minutes or so prep time, Aretha Franklin was asked to sub. The producer of the show had heard her sing the song a couple of nights before, so he knew she could sing it, albeit in her style. She also accepted his Grammy for him.

    She ain't Pavarotti, but the score was marked up for him and I don't know what changes the conductor made or could make in the limited time available. I have read where the chorus had no idea what was going on and had to adjust on the fly.

    Is there a current contemporary artist who could come in and do this well on a moment's notice?

    Link to video

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Correction...No prep time...

      Link to video

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        If y'all don't remember...

        At the 1998 Grammys, Pavarotti was supposed to sing the famous aria from Turandot. He canceled due to illness. Having 30 minutes or so prep time, Aretha Franklin was asked to sub. The producer of the show had heard her sing the song a couple of nights before, so he knew she could sing it, albeit in her style. She also accepted his Grammy for him.

        She ain't Pavarotti, but the score was marked up for him and I don't know what changes the conductor made or could make in the limited time available. I have read where the chorus had no idea what was going on and had to adjust on the fly.

        Is there a current contemporary artist who could come in and do this well on a moment's notice?

        Link to video

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        @Jolly said in Down the Nessun Dorma Rathole:

        Is there a current contemporary artist who could come in and do this well on a moment's notice?

        She did a nice job.

        But for your questions, Maybe a Broadway singer? 🤷

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          Maybe.

          But consider the major pop artists of the day...Taylor Swift, Pink, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Billie Eilish, etc.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            There are regional symphonies who have a chorus with a lot of talented singers.

            I have several friends who sing with the Virginia Symphony chorus, they do some good work.

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              That goes back to the question about why some really talented people don't make it.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Timing and luck. Being seen by the right person at the right time. Their "style" isn't what people want at the time.

                Life circumstances. Some artists work years to become an "overnight" star. Others with as much (or more talent) stop before that point (family, lack of income, etc.)

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                  Timing and luck. Being seen by the right person at the right time. Their "style" isn't what people want at the time.

                  Life circumstances. Some artists work years to become an "overnight" star. Others with as much (or more talent) stop before that point (family, lack of income, etc.)

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                  @taiwan_girl said in Down the Nessun Dorma Rathole:

                  Timing and luck. Being seen by the right person at the right time.

                  image.jpeg

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    @taiwan_girl said in Down the Nessun Dorma Rathole:

                    Timing and luck. Being seen by the right person at the right time.

                    image.jpeg

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                    @George-K ???

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                      @George-K ???

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                      @taiwan_girl said in Down the Nessun Dorma Rathole:

                      @George-K ???

                      Leonard Bernstein became one of the 20th century's most acclaimed conductors through timing and luck.

                      On November 14, 1943, having recently been appointed assistant conductor to Artur Rodziński of the New York Philharmonic, Bernstein made his major conducting debut at short notice—and without any rehearsal—after guest conductor Bruno Walter came down with the flu. The challenging program included works by Robert Schumann, Miklós Rózsa, Richard Wagner, and Richard Strauss.

                      The next day, The New York Times carried the story on its front page and remarked in an editorial, "It's a good American success story. The warm, friendly triumph of it filled Carnegie Hall and spread far over the air waves."

                      Timing, I'm not sure, had much to do with it, but luck certainly did.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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