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The Alec Baldwin Trial

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    I think Baldwin will be found guilty in the civil trial. The question will be his level of negligence and the size of the award.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      I think Baldwin will be found guilty in the civil trial. The question will be his level of negligence and the size of the award.

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      George K
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      #42

      @Jolly said in The Alec Baldwin Trial:

      I think Baldwin will be found guilty in the civil trial.

      I agree. The law in NM is pretty clear, and the case was thrown out, basically, on a technicality.

      Emily D. Baker, an attorney who does law analysis stated, “this [ruling] doesn't say Baldwin didn't do anything wrong. What this finding by the court says is that prosecution and law enforcement did something so wrong that the only remedy here is to not prosecute Baldwin.”

      For those that didn't follow closely, here's what happened:

      Del Reed, father of Hannah Gutierrez Reed (the convicted, inexperienced armorer) had a friend, Troy Teske, deliver some rounds he found to the police that might have bearing on the case. I believe these were delivered BEFORE Guiterrez was convicted.

      The cops took the evidence and saw that the rounds (allegedly) had no resemblance to the the rounds on the set of "Rust" and filed them away, IN A DIFFERENT FOLDER. The defense was never made aware of this.

      It's not for the prosecution to decide this. The defense must have access to ALL evidence, relevant or not - and they weren't. Hence, the Brady violation and dismissal of charges. Were the rounds relevant? Probably not, but that's not the point.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Away
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        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #44

          I watched another attorney yesterday (Andrew Branch) who disagrees. The case should NOT have been thrown out because the "evidence" has no bearing on what Baldwin was accused of.

          He fired a loaded weapon and killed Haylana Hutchins. That's all that needs to be said. How the bullet got onto the set is irrelevant to the charge.

          I read that Gutierrez's attorney is filing motions to have her case dismisses on similar grounds.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            Good luck with this...

            Alec Baldwin Plans to Sue Santa Fe Prosecutor, Sheriff

            Alec Baldwin’s lawyers have warned the Santa Fe sheriff and prosecutors of “future litigation” over their actions in the Rust shooting trial following the dismissal of the charge against the actor.
            In a pair of preservation notices mailed Monday and obtained by Rolling Stone, Baldwin’s lawyers told both the Santa Fe prosecutor Kari Morrissey and Sheriff Adan Mendoza to “preserve all relevant information in your possession, custody, and/or control” related to the trial against Baldwin.

            “Specifically, we request that you immediately take all necessary steps, including preserving all devices, hard drives, emails, text messages, and other electronic communications, to preserve any and all documents, records, electronically stored information (‘ESI’), and other materials and data existing in any form whatsoever, that are actually or potentially relevant or relate in any way to the investigation(s) and/or prosecution(s) conducted by the State in connection with the death of Halyna Hutchins on the set of the movie, Rust,” the preservation notices stated.

            Last week, the judge in the Baldwin trial dismissed the single felony count of involuntary manslaughter against the actor after Baldwin’s lawyers filed an emergency motion alleging prosecutors and investigators withheld evidence. The case was dismissed with prejudice, meaning that prosecutors could not re-file the charge against Baldwin.

            “There is no way for the court to right this wrong,” New Mexico Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer said in the July 12 ruling to dismiss.
            On the trial’s stunning final day, the prosecution was accused of withholding evidence about how a batch of .45 caliber live ammunition belonging to famed Hollywood armorer Thell Reed, the father of Rust’s rookie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, had been collected and booked by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office last March. The evidence was not supplied to Baldwin’s defense either physically or through a supplemental evidence report.

            In delivering her admittedly “extreme” ruling, Judge Marlowe Sommer said the live ammunition — surrendered by a friend of Thell Reed — could have helped Baldwin undermine prosecutors’ theory of the case and shore up his defense claim that the fatal shooting was unforeseeable. Judge Sommer said prosecutors “unilaterally withheld” the evidence and that it was both “material” and “favorable” to Baldwin’s defense, the two thresholds necessary for her ruling.

            “The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office and the prosecution failed to disclose the supplemental [evidence] report to the defense and provide the defense an opportunity to inspect the rounds collected into evidence,” Marlowe Sommer said. “The suppressed evidence is favorable to the accused. It is impeachment evidence (and) is potentially exculpatory to the defense.”

            Due to the actions of the Santa Fe sheriff and prosecutor, who filed charges against Baldwin despite having knowledge of the “suppressed evidence,” the actor’s lawyers are now planning to sue both parties.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              I wonder if they can file new charges for criminal negligence not based on him pulling the trigger, but based on the lack of proper oversight?

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              jon-nyc
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              @LuFins-Dad said in The Alec Baldwin Trial:

              I wonder if they can file new charges for criminal negligence not based on him pulling the trigger, but based on the lack of proper oversight?

              I suspect his role as producer is more of a civil liability than criminal.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
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                I don’t know… Especially if the lawyers do proceed to press a suit against the prosecutor. I could see them filing a new set of criminal negligence. If criminal negligence leads to a death, it is a class 5 felony and sentencing is exactly the same as involuntary manslaughter.

                The Brad

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  Matthew Hutchins (widower of the woman Baldwin killed) has notified, through counsel, that he is preparing to sue Baldwin for wrongful death.

                  After his wife was killed by Baldwin, he entered into a settlement in which Baldwin agreed to pay her estate an undisclosed amount of money, and would also pay their son an undisclosed amount from the ages of 18-22.

                  No payments have been made. From what I gather, he's at least 6 months in arrears, and Hutchins is saying that he's going to pursue civil action because of non-payment.

                  My opinion? Sue him, and his company, into oblivion.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    #49

                    Supposedly, he's pretty close to broke.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • CopperC Offline
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                      #50

                      Don’t shoot anyone in the head.

                      A good lesson for all of us.

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        Don’t shoot anyone in the head.

                        A good lesson for all of us.

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                        George K
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                        #51

                        @Copper said in The Alec Baldwin Trial:

                        Don’t shoot anyone in the head.

                        He shot her in the chest, and the assistant director standing behind her.

                        A good lesson for all of us.

                        Your point stands, regardless.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
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                          #52

                          There are barely any acceptable places on the body to shoot someone.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • CopperC Offline
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                            Maybe just the tippity top of the ear.

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