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The Swedish Model (again)

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    George K
    wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 17:16 last edited by
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    https://mises.org/wire/why-americans-should-adopt-sweden-model-covid-19

    Figure 1 illustrates the daily mortality attributed to covid-19 in Sweden, New York, Illinois, and Texas. The figure plots the daily number of deaths per million population. This figure illustrates the rise and fall of deaths from covid-19 in four different policy environments. The data were obtained from Worldometer.

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    The data suggest that lockdowns have not prevented any deaths from covid-19. At best, lockdowns have deferred death for a short time, but they cannot possibly be continued for the long term. It seems likely that one will not have to even compare economic deprivation with loss of life, as the final death toll following authoritarian lockdowns will most likely exceed the deaths from letting people choose how to manage their own risk. After taking the unprecedented economic depression into account, history will likely judge these lockdowns to be the greatest policy error of this generation. Covid-19 is not going to be defeated; we will have to learn how to coexist with it. The only way we can learn how best to cope with covid-19 is to let individuals manage their own risk, observe the outcomes, and learn from mistakes. The world owes a great debt to Sweden for setting an example that the rest of us can follow.

    Not sure if all those comparisons are valid, considering population density, etc...

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Horace
      wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 17:39 last edited by
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      @George-K said in The Swedish Model (again):

      After taking the unprecedented economic depression into account, history will likely judge these lockdowns to be the greatest policy error of this generation.

      Given how our current culture is judging its history, I would not place much faith in future people looking back on us with cool, detached reason.

      I used to think "history will judge" meant that with time, judgments of what one lives through will become more objective. Nowadays I think that time will only bring a different culture, which will judge recorded history through whatever messaging lens best serves the ruling class.

      Which is to say if you want to know how objective people judge our current times, you might want to ask objective people right now. Like me, and definitely not jon.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Mik
        wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 18:21 last edited by Mik
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        History would be able to judge this situation objectively if either approach was a smashing success or an utter failure. Neither is true. Most of the decisions made and actions taken have been at the state, local and individual level, and they vary greatly in terms of implementation.

        You can toss numbers at this until the cows come home and still not be able to finely discern success or failure, just a lot of gray area.

        As far as I can tell the economy is largely up and running, albeit not at full steam. People are going out to eat and shop. Entertainment is being hit badly as are restaurants. Travel is getting killed. A vaccine will fix these things but my sense of this is we are running enough to keep us out of a deep financial ditch.

        What I am more interested in right now is lessons learned... what do we need to do to be better prepared for the next one, which will certainly come in this interconnected world.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Jolly
          wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 18:29 last edited by
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          Some of our restaurants are scraping by, but the bars are getting killed.

          When the bars open, COVID peaks. In more than one way, biology will not be denied...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Larry
            wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 20:26 last edited by Larry
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            Swedish model

            http://www.china.org.cn/arts/2012-08/02/content_26100819_4.htm

            How the heck do I make it show the picture?

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              George K
              wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 21:30 last edited by
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              Copy the URL, click on the "picture" icon, to the right of the "link" icon, and paste.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                20 Aug 2020, 21:30

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                Copy the URL, click on the "picture" icon, to the right of the "link" icon, and paste.

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                Larry
                wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 22:28 last edited by
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                @George-K said in The Swedish Model (again):

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                Copy the URL, click on the "picture" icon, to the right of the "link" icon, and paste.

                I did that. It doesnt seem to work for me.

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                  Larry
                  wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 22:30 last edited by
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                  I'd climb her like a tree, by the way...

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 22:49 last edited by
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                    Larry's flattening the curve again.

                    The Brad

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 23:24 last edited by
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                      I wonder why they rejected the neighboring countries as a comparison.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 23:28 last edited by
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                        Is that a euphemism for "why is she wearing pants"?

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 20 Aug 2020, 23:29 last edited by
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                          Also, why are people still fighting this fight? We already implemented the Swedish model, pretty much.

                          We were locked down for, what, 8 weeks? Less in some parts.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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