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Today's Med Mal Case - Suicide

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    A 52-year-old woman presented to a psychiatrist for anxiety and depression in January 2017.

    She was started on an unspecified antidepressant.

    She had a single follow-up appointment about 90 days later, at which point clonazepam was also prescribed.

    Over the subsequent few months, she allegedly called the office several times to make further appointments.

    Apparently the secretary never returned any of her calls.

    During this time period, she also had several visits with a licensed professional counselor.

    It does not appear that any suicide risk assessments were done.

    The patient saw her primary care nurse practitioner in June 2017.

    She told the NP that she could not get a hold of her psychiatrist and was almost out of clonazepam.

    The NP prescribed 30 days of clonazepam.

    On July 10, the patient called and asked for another refill, which was granted by the NP.

    In August 2017, the patient died by suicide with a firearm.

    The patient’s husband filed a lawsuit against the psychiatrist, the counselor, the NP, and each of their respective employers.

    The plaintiff submitted the following expert witness opinion, which was signed by a board-certified psychiatrist:

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    The plaintiffs offered to settle for a total of $5,000,000:

    • $1,000,000 each from the psychiatrist, the licensed professional counselor, and the NP
    • $1,000,000 from the psychiatrist’s employer and the NP’s employer
      An email between the 2 attorneys was included in the court documents indicating that Dr. R refused to settle.

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    Confidential settlements were reached with the other parties.

    Dr. R and his employer were the only remaining defendants.

    At deposition, the defendant psychiatrist was asked why he took so long to become board certified after finishing residency.

    He disclosed that he had failed oral boards several times.

    The defense filed a motion asking the judge to prevent the plaintiff’s attorney from mentioning this in front of the jury.

    As trial neared, the defense suddenly filed a new document asking the patient’s husband to answer a list of questions:

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    The plaintiff’s attorney filed a motion to seal this document from public view

    They accused the defense of violating the state’s legal rules, claiming that the document should never be filed in a public court database.

    The plaintiff ultimately agreed to withdraw the lawsuit against the psychiatrist.

    Both sides petitioned the judge to remove the document from public view, and it is no longer accessible on the court website.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #2

      Is he from New Jersey?

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #3

        It gets better:

        This is one of the craziest plot twists I’ve ever seen in a medical malpractice lawsuit. It looked like this case was headed for trial until the inflammatory information about the patient’s husband was revealed. It seems suspicious that the defense attorney “accidentally” put this information in the public domain in order to gain a negotiation advantage over the plaintiff.

        If the patient truly called the psychiatry office multiple times to set up an appointment and never got a call back, there is validity to a negligence claim against the business. Unfortunately the plaintiff’s expert witness opinion was devoid of details and written so poorly (appears to have been authored by the attorney and rubber-stamped by the expert witness) that we have no information about her alleged attempted to schedule an appointment. Front office staff that give bad medical advice over the phone or refuse to schedule patients can result in lawsuits.

        While reviewing the paperwork in this lawsuit, I noticed that the address of the psychiatrist’s office and the address at which the patient was found dead were exactly the same. I previously wrote about a lawsuit in which a patient killed himself in the parking lot of his orthopedic surgeon’s office after a hip surgery left him with chronic pain. Why do patients drive to their doctor’s place of work to kill themselves?

        The patient died just over 30 days after her last clonazepam prescription was filled. The timing seems to coincide fairly well with running out of medication and developing significant withdrawal. I’m concerned this may have been an exacerbating factor. It also brings to mind a previous case related to a patient who died by suicide after his PCP retired and the PA he established with refused to continue prescribing the exorbitant amounts of opioids he had previously been prescribed.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          Was walking out to HR one day (separate building from hospital) and I passed by a car in the parking lot with a woman sleeping in the driver's seat. Didn't think much of it, not unusual to see somebody taking a nap in a car, if it wasn't summer.

          Imagine my surprise when I found out from the security guys that she wasn't sleeping. She had killed herself.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • George KG George K

            It gets better:

            This is one of the craziest plot twists I’ve ever seen in a medical malpractice lawsuit. It looked like this case was headed for trial until the inflammatory information about the patient’s husband was revealed. It seems suspicious that the defense attorney “accidentally” put this information in the public domain in order to gain a negotiation advantage over the plaintiff.

            If the patient truly called the psychiatry office multiple times to set up an appointment and never got a call back, there is validity to a negligence claim against the business. Unfortunately the plaintiff’s expert witness opinion was devoid of details and written so poorly (appears to have been authored by the attorney and rubber-stamped by the expert witness) that we have no information about her alleged attempted to schedule an appointment. Front office staff that give bad medical advice over the phone or refuse to schedule patients can result in lawsuits.

            While reviewing the paperwork in this lawsuit, I noticed that the address of the psychiatrist’s office and the address at which the patient was found dead were exactly the same. I previously wrote about a lawsuit in which a patient killed himself in the parking lot of his orthopedic surgeon’s office after a hip surgery left him with chronic pain. Why do patients drive to their doctor’s place of work to kill themselves?

            The patient died just over 30 days after her last clonazepam prescription was filled. The timing seems to coincide fairly well with running out of medication and developing significant withdrawal. I’m concerned this may have been an exacerbating factor. It also brings to mind a previous case related to a patient who died by suicide after his PCP retired and the PA he established with refused to continue prescribing the exorbitant amounts of opioids he had previously been prescribed.

            AxtremusA Offline
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            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by Axtremus
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            @George-K said in Today's Med Mal Case - Suicide:

            If the patient truly called the psychiatry office multiple times to set up an appointment and never got a call back, there is validity to a negligence claim against the business. Unfortunately the plaintiff’s expert witness opinion was devoid of details and written so poorly (appears to have been authored by the attorney and rubber-stamped by the expert witness) that we have no information about her alleged attempted to schedule an appointment.

            Do the three screenshots you posted constitute the entire "expert report"? If so indeed it's shoddy work. Seems to me it just list a bunch of "failures to do XYZ" without substantiating why these are considered "failures." :man-shrugging:

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              It was never meant to go to trial, just to get a settlement.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                It was never meant to go to trial, just to get a settlement.

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                Jolly
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                #7

                @Mik said in Today's Med Mal Case - Suicide:

                It was never meant to go to trial, just to get a settlement.

                Common among malpractice claims.

                You know...We live in a modern technological wonder of medicine, that would gobsmack anyone from 100 years ago. But we many times do not appreciate what we have. We also forget that even as far as we've come, there is no magic pill or treatment that can cure anything.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @George-K said in Today's Med Mal Case - Suicide:

                  If the patient truly called the psychiatry office multiple times to set up an appointment and never got a call back, there is validity to a negligence claim against the business. Unfortunately the plaintiff’s expert witness opinion was devoid of details and written so poorly (appears to have been authored by the attorney and rubber-stamped by the expert witness) that we have no information about her alleged attempted to schedule an appointment.

                  Do the three screenshots you posted constitute the entire "expert report"? If so indeed it's shoddy work. Seems to me it just list a bunch of "failures to do XYZ" without substantiating why these are considered "failures." :man-shrugging:

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
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                  @Axtremus said in Today's Med Mal Case - Suicide:

                  Do the three screenshots you posted constitute the entire "expert report"? If so indeed it's shoddy work. Seems to me it just list a bunch of "failures to do XYZ" without substantiating why these are considered "failures."

                  I believe so.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @Mik said in Today's Med Mal Case - Suicide:

                    It was never meant to go to trial, just to get a settlement.

                    Common among malpractice claims.

                    You know...We live in a modern technological wonder of medicine, that would gobsmack anyone from 100 years ago. But we many times do not appreciate what we have. We also forget that even as far as we've come, there is no magic pill or treatment that can cure anything.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    @Jolly said in Today's Med Mal Case - Suicide:

                    It was never meant to go to trial, just to get a settlement.

                    Common among malpractice claims.

                    I've been sued about half a dozen times. In each case, but one, I was dropped from the suit. In the case that DID go to trial, I was found not liable. My involvement was quite peripheral in that one. I never settled.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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