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No. Just no.

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    Wrong prescription, doc.

    Address the problem of not enough doctors by making more doctors.

    https://www.salon.com/2024/05/16/theres-a-simple-solution-to-the-doctor-shortage/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #2

      AI is going to be huge in the future of health care, regarding diagnoses and treatment protocols.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #3

        Somewhat.

        But you know what? Being a great diagnostician is part science, part pure God-given talent. A really good doc can pull information from multiple observations, conversations and diagnostics to blow through the decision making tree and arrive at a conclusion...Or at least know all the right questions to ask.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          In my various trips to the doctor, I've had appendicitis diagnosed as nothing, a ruptured quad tendon diagnosed as nothing, a different ruptured quad tendon diagnosed as an ACL tear which led me to delay treatment of it, which led to complications in the joint that I feel at this very moment. I think there is plenty of room for improvement, and I do not subscribe to the House theory of magical doctors.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            They're not all magical, but some are.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Horace
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              #6

              One gets a typical doctor when one goes to the doctor.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #7

                I do my best to go to good doctors. That is not always easy.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  I do my best to go to good doctors. That is not always easy.

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                  Horace
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                  @Jolly said in No. Just no.:

                  I do my best to go to good doctors. That is not always easy.

                  A lot easier for those who have a network of friends and acquaintances in the industry.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Wrong prescription, doc.

                    Address the problem of not enough doctors by making more doctors.

                    https://www.salon.com/2024/05/16/theres-a-simple-solution-to-the-doctor-shortage/

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                    @Jolly said in No. Just no.:

                    Address the problem of not enough doctors by making more doctors.

                    I like that idea of making more doctors. What’s the fraction of the population that has what it takes, talent- and/or work-ethics-wise, to be “good enough doctors” in your view? Are there enough of them?

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @Jolly said in No. Just no.:

                      Address the problem of not enough doctors by making more doctors.

                      I like that idea of making more doctors. What’s the fraction of the population that has what it takes, talent- and/or work-ethics-wise, to be “good enough doctors” in your view? Are there enough of them?

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                      Jolly
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                      @Axtremus said in No. Just no.:

                      @Jolly said in No. Just no.:

                      Address the problem of not enough doctors by making more doctors.

                      I like that idea of making more doctors. What’s the fraction of the population has what it takes, talent- and/or work-ethics-wise, to be “good enough doctors” in your view? Are there enough of them?

                      Yes, there are. Especially Family Practice type guys.

                      I think you could double medical school slots and fill them with people that could make the grind.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @Axtremus said in No. Just no.:

                        @Jolly said in No. Just no.:

                        Address the problem of not enough doctors by making more doctors.

                        I like that idea of making more doctors. What’s the fraction of the population has what it takes, talent- and/or work-ethics-wise, to be “good enough doctors” in your view? Are there enough of them?

                        Yes, there are. Especially Family Practice type guys.

                        I think you could double medical school slots and fill them with people that could make the grind.

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                        Axtremus
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                        @Jolly said in No. Just no.:

                        I think you could double medical school slots and fill them with people that could make the grind.

                        OK, I am for it.

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          I’ll be the unpopular one, here. I have to agree with Horace. There have been numerous studies where AI docs have consistently outperformed human diagnosticians, and it wasn’t even close. There’s not been a single study to have a human doctor outperform AI. I believe AI with a human doctor providing oversight, will become the norm within 15 years. I think you will still see the need for humans to be making the final call, but those physicians will become more and more reliant on the AI diagnosis.

                          On the intermediate level, it’s likely the PA’s and NP’s that are most endangered by AI.

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            I’ll be the unpopular one, here. I have to agree with Horace. There have been numerous studies where AI docs have consistently outperformed human diagnosticians, and it wasn’t even close. There’s not been a single study to have a human doctor outperform AI. I believe AI with a human doctor providing oversight, will become the norm within 15 years. I think you will still see the need for humans to be making the final call, but those physicians will become more and more reliant on the AI diagnosis.

                            On the intermediate level, it’s likely the PA’s and NP’s that are most endangered by AI.

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in No. Just no.:

                            I’ll be the unpopular one, here. I have to agree with Horace.

                            You're going to end up receiving death threats if you keep that up.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Having “AI doctors” and training more human doctors are not mutually exclusive.
                              AI doctors will be better at some things, human doctors will be better at some other things. AI doctors will become better at more things, and there will be new things that need human doctors.

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                                Getting diagnoses correct constitutes a very, very large part of the value of doctoring.

                                Education is extremely important.

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