Butker calls it out.

[Mik]

@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

So can you, asshole.

I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.

No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.

He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.

So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.

It’s also how same sex couples are getting children, which may be also what he was getting at.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life.

Caesarian section interferes with God's plan too. We should probably stop people doing that and have them die like in the good old days.

Equating contraception, IVF and surrogacy with abortion is asinine.

[Copper]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

Equating contraception, IVF and surrogacy with abortion is asinine beyond the ability of some to understand.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will.

Not at all likely.

[Copper]

The Lord is subtle but not malicious.

[Renauda]

@Copper said in Butker calls it out.:

The Lord is subtle but not malicious.

You might very well think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.

[kluurs]

He's getting trashed on Tik Tok (younger crowd) primarily for encouraging women to quit the workforce and be moms at a commencement ceremony. It was pointed out that he has quite a nice home with 2 kitchens - and seems tone deaf when most Americans can't survive on a single salary. He was also beaten up a bit for what some felt were unnecessary attacks against the gay community. This and the Met Gala are hot topics right now with the villagers wanting to storm the castle and cancel elite rich people flaunting privilege while people are struggling through Biden's robust economy.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Copper said in Butker calls it out.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

Equating contraception, IVF and surrogacy with abortion is asinine beyond the ability of some to understand.

Cleverer men than I have tried...

Link to video

[Jolly]

@kluurs said in Butker calls it out.:

He's getting trashed on Tik Tok (younger crowd) primarily for encouraging women to quit the workforce and be moms at a commencement ceremony. It was pointed out that he has quite a nice home with 2 kitchens - and seems tone deaf when most Americans can't survive on a single salary. He was also beaten up a bit for what some felt were unnecessary attacks against the gay community. This and the Met Gala are hot topics right now with the villagers wanting to storm the castle and cancel elite rich people flaunting privilege while people are struggling through Biden's robust economy.

I think the reason they're so pissed, is that there is some truth there for some people.

1. A significant percentage of young women are now on psychotropic drugs. I think that stems from not having any grounding in your place in the world.

[Jolly]

Cont...

Maybe that's because some young women should work. Some should have careers. Maybe some should be homemakers. The career superwoman with two children is an unobtainable goal for many.

[Jolly]

2. The Gay Agenda. Ever more radical, I'm not sure even the majority of LGBQT people buy into it.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

A significant percentage of young women are now on psychotropic drugs.

There was a time that a significant percentage of Western women - single, married and widowed - were on laudanum. It was cheaper than booze and readily accessible.

Only the sophistication and regulation of the substances has changed since those days.

[LuFins Dad]

@Mik said in Butker calls it out.:

@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

So can you, asshole.

I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.

No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.

He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.

So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.

It’s also how same sex couples are getting children, which may be also what he was getting at.

Bingo. Surrogacy has become a very contentious subject recently, primarily dealing with same sex couples.

[Renauda]

How is it that surrogacy - other than gay couples - itself is considered anathema among the faithful?

[Doctor Phibes]

@LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:

Bingo. Surrogacy has become a very contentious subject recently, primarily dealing with sam

If he wanted to attack the gays, then he should just attack the gays. There's plenty of straight couples who've used surrogacy.

Anyway, it's probably not worth me getting too upset about. Just another know-it-all celebrity pontificating about things outside his area of expertise.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Renauda said in Butker calls it out.:

How is it that surrogacy - other than gay couples - itself is considered anathema among the faithful?

Pope Francis:

“I deem deplorable the practice of so-called surrogate motherhood, which represents a grave violation of the dignity of the woman and the child, based on the exploitation of situations of the mother’s material needs.”

You could argue that doing it for money is going to lead to abuse, but it's more complex than that. I know somebody whose sister carried her baby on her behalf. There was no money involved.

[Renauda]

@Doctor-Phibes

Just another know-it-all celebrity pontificating about things outside his area of expertise.

Yes but he’s not some low IQ artist, actor, writer or musician. Rather he’s a professional athlete, specifically an All Star American football player, a modern day Maximus Decimus. A genuine crowd pleaser.

[Mik]

@Renauda said in Butker calls it out.:

@Jolly

A significant percentage of young women are now on psychotropic drugs.

There was a time that a significant percentage of Western women - single, married and widowed - were on laudanum. It was cheaper than booze and readily accessible.

Only the sophistication and regulation of the substances has changed since those days.

I’d rather have laudanum.

[Renauda]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

@Renauda said in Butker calls it out.:

How is it that surrogacy - other than gay couples - itself is considered anathema among the faithful?

Pope Francis:

“I deem deplorable the practice of so-called surrogate motherhood, which represents a grave violation of the dignity of the woman and the child, based on the exploitation of situations of the mother’s material needs.”

You could argue that doing it for money is going to lead to abuse, but it's more complex than that. I know somebody whose sister carried her baby on her behalf. There was no money involved.

Yes I have heard that statement from the Bishop of Rome. Still doesn’t tell what immoral about it.

It too have a friend whose sister acted as surrogate. The family were staunch RCs.

[LuFins Dad]

@kluurs said in Butker calls it out.:

He's getting trashed on Tik Tok (younger crowd) primarily for encouraging women to quit the workforce and be moms at a commencement ceremony. It was pointed out that he has quite a nice home with 2 kitchens - and seems tone deaf when most Americans can't survive on a single salary. He was also beaten up a bit for what some felt were unnecessary attacks against the gay community. This and the Met Gala are hot topics right now with the villagers wanting to storm the castle and cancel elite rich people flaunting privilege while people are struggling through Biden's robust economy.

Here’s the thing, there is very much a chicken/egg thing here. As more women entered the workplace in the 70s and 80s, there was a significant increase in the labor pool, suppressing wages. The suppressed wages forces families where the mother doesn’t want to be in the workforce into the labor pool by necessity. Now it’s generally accepted that families require two incomes.

If a sizeable portion of women chose to leave or not enter the workforce, then labor rates would have to rise as employers would have to be more competitive for qualified candidates.