Butker calls it out.
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@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
Things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as a growing support for degenerate cultural values and media all stem from the pervasiveness of disorder
IVF and surrogacy - seriously? He can fuck off.
He's Catholic. Old Skool version.
I understand his position.
Trying to relate IVF and surrogacy with 'degenerate cultural values' and 'disorder' isn't the smartest thing I've heard this week. Of course, being a professional footballer I'm sure he's got a lot more experience of dealing with this sort of issue than the rest of us.
He can fuck off.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
Things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as a growing support for degenerate cultural values and media all stem from the pervasiveness of disorder
IVF and surrogacy - seriously? He can fuck off.
He's Catholic. Old Skool version.
I understand his position.
Trying to relate IVF and surrogacy with 'degenerate cultural values' and 'disorder' isn't the smartest thing I've heard this week. Of course, being a professional footballer I'm sure he's got a lot more experience of dealing with this sort of issue than the rest of us.
He can fuck off.
So can you, asshole.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
Things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as a growing support for degenerate cultural values and media all stem from the pervasiveness of disorder
IVF and surrogacy - seriously? He can fuck off.
He's Catholic. Old Skool version.
I understand his position.
Trying to relate IVF and surrogacy with 'degenerate cultural values' and 'disorder' isn't the smartest thing I've heard this week. Of course, being a professional footballer I'm sure he's got a lot more experience of dealing with this sort of issue than the rest of us.
He can fuck off.
So can you, asshole.
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
I was only joking
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@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.
So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
The idea that children
It's more likely he would give responsibility to the parents, not the children.
Did you really get the idea that he was blaming the children?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.
So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.
So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.
It’s also how same sex couples are getting children, which may be also what he was getting at.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.
So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life.
Caesarian section interferes with God's plan too. We should probably stop people doing that and have them die like in the good old days.
Equating contraception, IVF and surrogacy with abortion is asinine.
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@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life.
Caesarian section interferes with God's plan too. We should probably stop people doing that and have them die like in the good old days.
Equating contraception, IVF and surrogacy with abortion is asinine.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
Equating contraception, IVF and surrogacy with abortion is
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.
So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.
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He's getting trashed on Tik Tok (younger crowd) primarily for encouraging women to quit the workforce and be moms at a commencement ceremony. It was pointed out that he has quite a nice home with 2 kitchens - and seems tone deaf when most Americans can't survive on a single salary. He was also beaten up a bit for what some felt were unnecessary attacks against the gay community. This and the Met Gala are hot topics right now with the villagers wanting to storm the castle and cancel elite rich people flaunting privilege while people are struggling
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
Equating contraception, IVF and surrogacy with abortion is
asininebeyond the ability of some to understand.@Copper said in Butker calls it out.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
Equating contraception, IVF and surrogacy with abortion is
asininebeyond the ability of some to understand.Cleverer men than I have tried...
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He's getting trashed on Tik Tok (younger crowd) primarily for encouraging women to quit the workforce and be moms at a commencement ceremony. It was pointed out that he has quite a nice home with 2 kitchens - and seems tone deaf when most Americans can't survive on a single salary. He was also beaten up a bit for what some felt were unnecessary attacks against the gay community. This and the Met Gala are hot topics right now with the villagers wanting to storm the castle and cancel elite rich people flaunting privilege while people are struggling
through Biden's robust economy.@kluurs said in Butker calls it out.:
He's getting trashed on Tik Tok (younger crowd) primarily for encouraging women to quit the workforce and be moms at a commencement ceremony. It was pointed out that he has quite a nice home with 2 kitchens - and seems tone deaf when most Americans can't survive on a single salary. He was also beaten up a bit for what some felt were unnecessary attacks against the gay community. This and the Met Gala are hot topics right now with the villagers wanting to storm the castle and cancel elite rich people flaunting privilege while people are struggling
through Biden's robust economy.I think the reason they're so pissed, is that there is some truth there for some people.
- A significant percentage of young women are now on psychotropic drugs. I think that stems from not having any grounding in your place in the world.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@kluurs said in Butker calls it out.:
He's getting trashed on Tik Tok (younger crowd) primarily for encouraging women to quit the workforce and be moms at a commencement ceremony. It was pointed out that he has quite a nice home with 2 kitchens - and seems tone deaf when most Americans can't survive on a single salary. He was also beaten up a bit for what some felt were unnecessary attacks against the gay community. This and the Met Gala are hot topics right now with the villagers wanting to storm the castle and cancel elite rich people flaunting privilege while people are struggling
through Biden's robust economy.I think the reason they're so pissed, is that there is some truth there for some people.
- A significant percentage of young women are now on psychotropic drugs. I think that stems from not having any grounding in your place in the world.
A significant percentage of young women are now on psychotropic drugs.
There was a time that a significant percentage of Western women - single, married and widowed - were on laudanum. It was cheaper than booze and readily accessible.
Only the sophistication and regulation of the substances has changed since those days.
Elbows up!
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@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.
So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.
It’s also how same sex couples are getting children, which may be also what he was getting at.
@Mik said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.
So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.
It’s also how same sex couples are getting children, which may be also what he was getting at.
Bingo. Surrogacy has become a very contentious subject recently, primarily dealing with same sex couples.
The Brad
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@Mik said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
So can you, asshole.
I could, but I'm not going to. The idea that children born to surrogacy are somehow contributing to the global malaise and moral decline of the world is pretty fucking stupid. The fact that you appear to sympathise with his position doesn't automatically make it any less so.
No, some people have belief systems and principles. Can't say boo-shit about Muslims around here without you taking up for them, so I don't mind taking up for this guy.
He believes like very traditional Catholics do, that IVF, abortion, etc., all interfere with God's normal gifts of life. Maybe some people are not naturally going to conceive...Maybe that's God's Will. Maybe they adopt some unwanted child and try to give it a loving home.
So you may not agree with his belief, but it's far from a fuck off.
It’s also how same sex couples are getting children, which may be also what he was getting at.
Bingo. Surrogacy has become a very contentious subject recently, primarily dealing with same sex couples.
@LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:
Bingo. Surrogacy has become a very contentious subject recently, primarily dealing with sam
If he wanted to attack the gays, then he should just attack the gays. There's plenty of straight couples who've used surrogacy.
Anyway, it's probably not worth me getting too upset about. Just another know-it-all celebrity pontificating about things outside his area of expertise.
I was only joking
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How is it that surrogacy - other than gay couples - itself is considered anathema among the faithful?
@Renauda said in Butker calls it out.:
How is it that surrogacy - other than gay couples - itself is considered anathema among the faithful?
Pope Francis:
“I deem deplorable the practice of so-called surrogate motherhood, which represents a grave violation of the dignity of the woman and the child, based on the exploitation of situations of the mother’s material needs.”
You could argue that doing it for money is going to lead to abuse, but it's more complex than that. I know somebody whose sister carried her baby on her behalf. There was no money involved.
I was only joking
