Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!
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You ever stop and think farmers are cashing in? I know more than one farmer, when offered a ridiculous price for his farm, took it.
As for subsidies, if the government offers it, you take it. Always nice to make a profit.
Lastly, there are less farmers, but bigger farms. How much acreage is being taken out of production?
@Jolly said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
As for subsidies, if the government offers it, you take it. Always nice to make a profit.
Yes and no. Farmers that I have talk to do not like taking aid. They would prefer not too if possible.
@Jolly said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
Lastly, there are less farmers, but bigger farms. How much acreage is being taken out of production?
From 1997 - 2018 in the US
total farm acreage decreased by about 8%
% of farms decreased by about 10%
avg. farm size was actually about the same
431 acres vs 441 acres -
@Larry said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
What makes you think far ers are worse off?
Larry, I respectively disagree. You know more about farming than i do, but I have had a fair amount of discussions and research on farming in the US Midwest, so I am not completely ignorant on the subject
In general, the number of US farms is decreasing, and the decrease is mostly not voluntary. Even in Tennessee, the number of farms has decreased by over 20% in the last 20 years. Yes, in some cases, someone may "age" out of farming and may not have anyone to take it over, but in many cases, the economics just do not work out.
Farmers now receive (on average) 40% of their income from the government in the form of government aid tied to trade, disaster assistance, support programs in federal farm legislation and insurance payments.
Every farmer and farm family I have spoke with hates this. They love what they are doing and hate to receive aid, but very few I have spoke with are optimistic towards the future.
I was reading a recent report from an "agricultural economist" at Iowa State University, which said
"The percentage of financially vulnerable farmers climbed from 31% in 2014 to 44% in 2019, according to the report that examines growers' ability to cover short-term liabilities such as seed, fertilizer and herbicides with easily accessible assets such as cash, stored grain and market-ready livestock."
PS I truly am glad that you are doing well.
@taiwan_girl said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
@Larry said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
What makes you think far ers are worse off?
Larry, I respectively disagree. You know more about farming than i do, but I have had a fair amount of discussions and research on farming in the US Midwest, so I am not completely ignorant on the subject
In general, the number of US farms is decreasing, and the decrease is mostly not voluntary. Even in Tennessee, the number of farms has decreased by over 20% in the last 20 years. Yes, in some cases, someone may "age" out of farming and may not have anyone to take it over, but in many cases, the economics just do not work out.
Farmers now receive (on average) 40% of their income from the government in the form of government aid tied to trade, disaster assistance, support programs in federal farm legislation and insurance payments.
Every farmer and farm family I have spoke with hates this. They love what they are doing and hate to receive aid, but very few I have spoke with are optimistic towards the future.
I was reading a recent report from an "agricultural economist" at Iowa State University, which said
"The percentage of financially vulnerable farmers climbed from 31% in 2014 to 44% in 2019, according to the report that examines growers' ability to cover short-term liabilities such as seed, fertilizer and herbicides with easily accessible assets such as cash, stored grain and market-ready livestock."
PS I truly am glad that you are doing well.
Well, I guess your "research" makes you more informed than me, then.... hahahaha
Farms in Tennessee have decreased because of several reasons. Most of the decrease comes as a result of small farmers leasing their fields to bigger farmers. They are no longer listed as two farms, but as one farm.
I can't win an argument with someone who gets their information from Google searches. What I can tell you However is that you have just enough information to be wrong. I own somewhere over 1200 acres, and I lease 6 more "farms" for another 600 or so acres. I have around 500 acres of corn in the field, 400 acres of soybeans, and I will laugh all the way to the bank come harvest time. Oh - and I don't get a single dime from government.
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@taiwan_girl said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
@Larry said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
What makes you think far ers are worse off?
Larry, I respectively disagree. You know more about farming than i do, but I have had a fair amount of discussions and research on farming in the US Midwest, so I am not completely ignorant on the subject
In general, the number of US farms is decreasing, and the decrease is mostly not voluntary. Even in Tennessee, the number of farms has decreased by over 20% in the last 20 years. Yes, in some cases, someone may "age" out of farming and may not have anyone to take it over, but in many cases, the economics just do not work out.
Farmers now receive (on average) 40% of their income from the government in the form of government aid tied to trade, disaster assistance, support programs in federal farm legislation and insurance payments.
Every farmer and farm family I have spoke with hates this. They love what they are doing and hate to receive aid, but very few I have spoke with are optimistic towards the future.
I was reading a recent report from an "agricultural economist" at Iowa State University, which said
"The percentage of financially vulnerable farmers climbed from 31% in 2014 to 44% in 2019, according to the report that examines growers' ability to cover short-term liabilities such as seed, fertilizer and herbicides with easily accessible assets such as cash, stored grain and market-ready livestock."
PS I truly am glad that you are doing well.
Well, I guess your "research" makes you more informed than me, then.... hahahaha
Farms in Tennessee have decreased because of several reasons. Most of the decrease comes as a result of small farmers leasing their fields to bigger farmers. They are no longer listed as two farms, but as one farm.
I can't win an argument with someone who gets their information from Google searches. What I can tell you However is that you have just enough information to be wrong. I own somewhere over 1200 acres, and I lease 6 more "farms" for another 600 or so acres. I have around 500 acres of corn in the field, 400 acres of soybeans, and I will laugh all the way to the bank come harvest time. Oh - and I don't get a single dime from government.
@Larry Okay Larry. You win!!!
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@taiwan_girl said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
@Larry said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
What makes you think far ers are worse off?
Larry, I respectively disagree. You know more about farming than i do, but I have had a fair amount of discussions and research on farming in the US Midwest, so I am not completely ignorant on the subject
In general, the number of US farms is decreasing, and the decrease is mostly not voluntary. Even in Tennessee, the number of farms has decreased by over 20% in the last 20 years. Yes, in some cases, someone may "age" out of farming and may not have anyone to take it over, but in many cases, the economics just do not work out.
Farmers now receive (on average) 40% of their income from the government in the form of government aid tied to trade, disaster assistance, support programs in federal farm legislation and insurance payments.
Every farmer and farm family I have spoke with hates this. They love what they are doing and hate to receive aid, but very few I have spoke with are optimistic towards the future.
I was reading a recent report from an "agricultural economist" at Iowa State University, which said
"The percentage of financially vulnerable farmers climbed from 31% in 2014 to 44% in 2019, according to the report that examines growers' ability to cover short-term liabilities such as seed, fertilizer and herbicides with easily accessible assets such as cash, stored grain and market-ready livestock."
PS I truly am glad that you are doing well.
Well, I guess your "research" makes you more informed than me, then.... hahahaha
Farms in Tennessee have decreased because of several reasons. Most of the decrease comes as a result of small farmers leasing their fields to bigger farmers. They are no longer listed as two farms, but as one farm.
I can't win an argument with someone who gets their information from Google searches. What I can tell you However is that you have just enough information to be wrong. I own somewhere over 1200 acres, and I lease 6 more "farms" for another 600 or so acres. I have around 500 acres of corn in the field, 400 acres of soybeans, and I will laugh all the way to the bank come harvest time. Oh - and I don't get a single dime from government.
@Larry Larry, I’m not well versed in the ins and outs of American farm subsidies, but my understanding is that soybeans and corn are subsidized.
Are those not available to you, or do you not avail yourself of them?
In your opinion, are subsidy takers poor operators?
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I do not want nor need any money from government, or the strings that are attached to it. I do things my way, I do not need some wormy little nerd from government who has never grown so much as a weed telling me what to plant and when, or what I can't do on my own land.
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I do not want nor need any money from government, or the strings that are attached to it. I do things my way, I do not need some wormy little nerd from government who has never grown so much as a weed telling me what to plant and when, or what I can't do on my own land.
@Larry said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
I do not want nor need any money from government, or the strings that are attached to it. I do things my way, I do not need some wormy little nerd from government who has never grown so much as a weed telling me what to plant and when, or what I can't do on my own land.
That’s a cagey answer. Feels like a hobby for you. Could you make more money if you took the subsidies?
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Didn't mean for it to sound cagey. Could I make more money if I took subsidies... That's a complicated question to answer. Once you take subsidies you also take the strings attached. Eventually the government is running your business instead of you, and you stop enjoying the job. Production drops. Just like everything else government tries to control. I think I offset any subsidy money I might get by producing better crops. I don't actually need the money from farming anyway, and I got to that point by running my business my way, not by taking handouts. If the day ever cones that I can't run my business my way, I'll shut it down and turn it into subdivisions and other things.
I turn 69 inext week, so I might turn it into subdivisions next year, anyway...
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@Horace said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
Larry grows artisan soy beans and sells them on Etsy.
Hahahaha
"We inspect each and every bean and hand pick it only once it has reached its optimal flavor"....
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@Larry Larry, I’m not well versed in the ins and outs of American farm subsidies, but my understanding is that soybeans and corn are subsidized.
Are those not available to you, or do you not avail yourself of them?
In your opinion, are subsidy takers poor operators?
@xenon said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
In your opinion, are subsidy takers poor operators?
You added that question after I had answered your original question.
No. I do not judge how other people choose to operate their business. If they think they need to take subsidies, that's fine. It's there, it's legal, it's purely a business decision, not a moral issue to wrangle with. I just happen to be one of those people who doesnt want the government up in my business.
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Old thread, but starting at post #39, it relates to my post below. 555. (actually, kind of fun to read this old forum thread)
Arkansas farmers say they are close to disaster because the global economy is weakening and their costs are rising fast. Tariffs are hitting them hard, and many farmers are asking for emergency funding as they face the threat of bankruptcy and foreclosure.
Hundreds of farmers went to Brookland, Arkansas, to meet with the state’s congressional delegation and plead for help. Chris King, a farmer from Woodruff County, warned that without emergency funding this year, one in three farmers will file for bankruptcy,
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Costs for farming inputs have soared as fertilizer, fuel, seeds, labor, and equipment are now much more expensive. At the same time, crop prices for corn, soybeans, and wheat dropped to their lowest since 2020. Rice prices are down by about 40% compared to last year, while costs like fertilizer and fuel keep rising, said Independence farmer Derek Haigwood, as stated by Moneywise.
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Old thread, but starting at post #39, it relates to my post below. 555. (actually, kind of fun to read this old forum thread)
Arkansas farmers say they are close to disaster because the global economy is weakening and their costs are rising fast. Tariffs are hitting them hard, and many farmers are asking for emergency funding as they face the threat of bankruptcy and foreclosure.
Hundreds of farmers went to Brookland, Arkansas, to meet with the state’s congressional delegation and plead for help. Chris King, a farmer from Woodruff County, warned that without emergency funding this year, one in three farmers will file for bankruptcy,
and
Costs for farming inputs have soared as fertilizer, fuel, seeds, labor, and equipment are now much more expensive. At the same time, crop prices for corn, soybeans, and wheat dropped to their lowest since 2020. Rice prices are down by about 40% compared to last year, while costs like fertilizer and fuel keep rising, said Independence farmer Derek Haigwood, as stated by Moneywise.
@taiwan_girl said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
The last time
Big Agfarmers were adversely impacted by Trump's "trade war," Trump gave them government subsidies. Maybe he will just do that again. -
@taiwan_girl said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
The last time
Big Agfarmers were adversely impacted by Trump's "trade war," Trump gave them government subsidies. Maybe he will just do that again.@Axtremus said in Rahm: “Didn’t Get Your Medicine, Your Social Security Check?” It's Trump's fault!:
The last time Big Ag farmers were adversely impacted by Trump's "trade war," Trump gave them government subsidies. Maybe he will just do that again.
Im sure he will. But farm subsidy for US farmers is not something just done by President Trump. Every president does it.
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Interesting part bolded below
American soybean farmers are heading into harvest season without a single order from China, historically their largest customer, raising alarm bells about the agricultural sector’s stability and broader implications for the U.S. economy.
Caleb Ragland, president of the American Soybean Association and a ninth-generation farmer from Kentucky, issued a stark warning about the crisis facing the nation’s 500,000 soybean growers. “Right now, we’re in a very dire situation,” Ragland said in a TikTok video that has drawn national attention to farmers’ plight.
In a separate CNN interview, Ragland emphasized the scale of China’s importance to American agriculture: “China takes more of our soybeans than all other foreign customers combined,” he said, noting that 50% of U.S. soybeans are exported and China represents a quarter of total demand.
