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A fifth symphony?

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    A musicologist in Austria has discovered a sketch by Brahms that appears to be the principal theme of the opening movement of a fifth symphony. It is supposedly unique in the history of 19th century music for its extensive use of syncopation.
    A paper outlining the discovery and speculating on possible sources of more sketches has been published in Die Musikforschung. Here is the theme as it appears in the paper.

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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      #2

      Interesting theme/melody line . Be curious to see what else might be out there in connection to this.

      Elbows up!

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Brahms tossed into the fireplace reams of compositions he didn't want polluting his oeuvre.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          Brahms tossed into the fireplace reams of compositions he didn't want polluting his oeuvre.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          @Horace said in A fifth symphony?:

          Brahms tossed into the fireplace reams of compositions he didn't want polluting his oeuvre.

          Yes. And his close friend, surgeon Theodor Billroth, who was an amateur composer did the same. He asked Brahms for an opinion on one of his compositions. Brahms said, basically, "Stick to surgery."

          Billroth followed his advice. "I took my latest composition and threw it into the fireplace, whence it emitted a great stench."

          But, any thoughts on "the tune?"

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            Axtremus
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            Brahms is dead.
            Why won't the world just give it up?
            Just set it down, run along, and go away already.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              Brahms is dead.
              Why won't the world just give it up?
              Just set it down, run along, and go away already.

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
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              @Axtremus

              Quite right, Brahms the person and composer is stone cold dead. However. musicology as a study and academic discipline is not. So when lost fragments or incomplete compositions attributable to a dead composer are discovered, the artist’s muse becomes very much alive.

              Elbows up!

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                OK you losers. Play the tune.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
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                  #8

                  I did noodle it out on the keyboard. Like I said, interesting. In my hands it is nothing. In the skilled hands of a real musician, it could be something of great interest. I am sure Ax could do just that with the fragment posted.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    The tune:

                    ***VERY NSFW***

                    click to show

                    Link to video

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                    Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                    • George KG George K

                      The tune:

                      ***VERY NSFW***

                      click to show

                      Link to video

                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                      Aqua Letifer
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                      @George-K said in A fifth symphony?:

                      The tune:

                      ***VERY NSFW***

                      click to show

                      Link to video

                      Almost as old as the Brahams thing, that chestnut.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
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                        #11

                        I didn’t recognise the tune at all.

                        In fact I never heard the tune I my life until I joined PW and it was fasionable to Rick Roll posters. Never realised it was a rip off of a Brahms fragment. 😉

                        The pop arrangement is truly forgettable.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          @George-K said in A fifth symphony?:

                          The tune:

                          ***VERY NSFW***

                          click to show

                          Link to video

                          Almost as old as the Brahams thing, that chestnut.

                          MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
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                          @Aqua-Letifer said in A fifth symphony?:

                          @George-K said in A fifth symphony?:

                          The tune:

                          ***VERY NSFW***

                          click to show

                          Link to video

                          Almost as old as the Brahams thing, that chestnut.

                          In this case, one might call it older.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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