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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    💰 💰 Grid Buildout 💰 💰

    https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2024/03/14/electric_transmission_buildout_could_cost_americans_trillions_of_dollars_1018392.html

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Might be high levels of investment needed over time but fundamentally it’s much cheaper in the long run to move electrons than it is to move gasoline.

      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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      • MikM Away
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        Our grid is in bad need of investment as it is. Hopefully we can harden it at the same time.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        • AxtremusA Offline
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          Good investment for the country.

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            Too bad we can’t afford it after giving trillions to A) companies that posted record profits even without the PPP loans during COVID, and B) Individuals that maintained employment and compensation levels while having their expenses significantly reduced during COVID.

            I suppose we’ll just have to print the trillions needed. That worked so well, last time.

            The bitch of it is that this really is needed. But hey, we also have to teach critical gender theory in Guatemala…

            The Brad

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            • MikM Away
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              Yep. Too. Much. Pork.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Y'all kwitcherbitchin...Obama had a ton of shovel-ready projects....

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Might be high levels of investment needed over time but fundamentally it’s much cheaper in the long run to move electrons than it is to move gasoline.

                  George KG Offline
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                  @jon-nyc said in Trillons:

                  much cheaper in the long run to move electrons than it is to move gasoline.

                  Moving is one thing.

                  Producing it is another.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @jon-nyc said in Trillons:

                    much cheaper in the long run to move electrons than it is to move gasoline.

                    Moving is one thing.

                    Producing it is another.

                    CopperC Offline
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                    #9

                    That should be no big deal

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                    And we have enough oil to produce all the electricity we need.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @jon-nyc said in Trillons:

                      much cheaper in the long run to move electrons than it is to move gasoline.

                      Moving is one thing.

                      Producing it is another.

                      AxtremusA Offline
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                      @George-K said in Trillons:

                      Moving is one thing.

                      Producing it is another.

                      Being good at moving something opens up new efficiencies that allow you to produce less of that something in the aggregate while still meeting the same overall demand.

                      When you are bad at moving something, you have to have excess capacities at each pocket of production and consumption to ensure high probability of meeting peak demands in each locality. But when you are good at moving something, you can reduce the overall excess capacity because when one locality that is experiencing demand in excess of its own production capacity can better source from another locality that still has spare capacity after meeting its local demand.

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