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  • George KG George K

    @Axtremus said in To think it is one thing...:

    Still a huge step up from Trump.

    Yes. However, this is the kind of thing one comes to expect from Trump.

    Do you also expect that a former CIA direct and Army general? Does one person's bad behavior excuse another's?

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    Doctor Phibes
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    @George-K said in To think it is one thing...:

    @Axtremus said in To think it is one thing...:

    Still a huge step up from Trump.

    Yes. However, this is the kind of thing one comes to expect from Trump.

    Do you also expect that a former CIA direct and Army general? Does one person's bad behavior excuse another's?

    Isn't the point of retiring that you can say whatever the hell you like?

    (Asking for a friend)

    I was only joking

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @George-K said in To think it is one thing...:

      @Axtremus said in To think it is one thing...:

      Still a huge step up from Trump.

      Yes. However, this is the kind of thing one comes to expect from Trump.

      Do you also expect that a former CIA direct and Army general? Does one person's bad behavior excuse another's?

      Isn't the point of retiring that you can say whatever the hell you like?

      (Asking for a friend)

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      George K
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      @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

      @George-K said in To think it is one thing...:

      @Axtremus said in To think it is one thing...:

      Still a huge step up from Trump.

      Yes. However, this is the kind of thing one comes to expect from Trump.

      Do you also expect that a former CIA direct and Army general? Does one person's bad behavior excuse another's?

      Isn't the point of retiring that you can say whatever the hell you like?

      Sure. But does that make it not nekulturny? He could have been court-martialed for saying that before retiring. He had the good sense to not do it.

      So, let me rephrase my question:

      Does the fear of getting fired justify one from bad behavior?

      "I was really thinking this, but I didn't want to say it because I might lose my job" is a pretty flimsy statement for an upstanding former general. He may well be right, but, as a former military man, the thought of "you repeat the office, not the man" should apply, and that was disrespectful.

      Oh, and for the record, I think Pence is wrong on this...

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        Pence thinks evolution is only a theory, and college sports is worth dying for.

        You fill in the blanks.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          Pence thinks evolution is only a theory, and college sports is worth dying for.

          You fill in the blanks.

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          @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

          Pence thinks evolution is only a theory, and college sports is worth dying for.

          You fill in the blanks.

          Yes, those college athletes are dropping like flies.

          Is the current number of college athletes killed by covid above or below zero?

          I saw one projection by experts that says if college sports resume there could be between 3 and 7 deaths caused by the virus.

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            Horace
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            I don't think I've ever heard anybody commended for their opinion that maybe risks are worth accepting. Those in the business of expressing commendable opinions wisely keep repeating that a single death is too many, hang the expense.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • CopperC Copper

              @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

              Pence thinks evolution is only a theory, and college sports is worth dying for.

              You fill in the blanks.

              Yes, those college athletes are dropping like flies.

              Is the current number of college athletes killed by covid above or below zero?

              I saw one projection by experts that says if college sports resume there could be between 3 and 7 deaths caused by the virus.

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              @Copper said in To think it is one thing...:

              I saw one projection by experts that says if college sports resume there could be between 3 and 7 deaths caused by the virus.

              How would such a number be projected?

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                Doctor Phibes
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                Some things are definitely worth taking risks over. I remain unconvinced that college football is important enough to warrant intervention by a man who is almost certainly tested for Covid-19 on a daily basis.

                YMMV may vary, obviously.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  Some things are definitely worth taking risks over. I remain unconvinced that college football is important enough to warrant intervention by a man who is almost certainly tested for Covid-19 on a daily basis.

                  YMMV may vary, obviously.

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                  Jolly
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                  @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

                  Some things are definitely worth taking risks over. I remain unconvinced that college football is important enough to warrant intervention by a man who is almost certainly tested for Covid-19 on a daily basis.

                  YMMV may vary, obviously.

                  It's football...I don't think thou understand the pressure to play, not only from the fans, but from the players themselves. Miles Brennen has waited his turn at LSU. The kid has the possibility of going in the first round.

                  First round money may be more than you will make in your lifetime.

                  That's the pressure...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    Pence thinks evolution is only a theory, and college sports is worth dying for.

                    You fill in the blanks.

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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

                    Pence thinks evolution is only a theory, and college sports is worth dying for.

                    You fill in the blanks.

                    Evolution IS a theory. Unless you've made some sort of discovery that impacts the scientific use of the word theory and haven't told anyone about it...

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                      There's a difference between 'just a theory' and a scientific theory.

                      Pence has claimed that Intelligent Design is equally valid, and from a scientific perspective, it isn't.

                      Link to video

                      I was only joking

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                        Larry
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                        Why isn't it?

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            There's a difference between 'just a theory' and a scientific theory.

                            Pence has claimed that Intelligent Design is equally valid, and from a scientific perspective, it isn't.

                            Link to video

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                            Jolly
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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

                            There's a difference between 'just a theory' and a scientific theory.

                            Pence has claimed that Intelligent Design is equally valid, and from a scientific perspective, it isn't.

                            Link to video

                            There are some pretty big gaps in the Theory of Evolution. Even Darwin knew that.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

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                              I'm sure you'll find this I interesting, seeing as how enlightened and open minded you are and all, but there are a sizeable number of scientists who admit that intelligent design has just as much credibility as a scientific theory as evolution.

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                                @George-K said in To think it is one thing...:

                                @Axtremus said in To think it is one thing...:

                                Still a huge step up from Trump.

                                Yes. However, this is the kind of thing one comes to expect from Trump.

                                Do you also expect that a former CIA direct and Army general? Does one person's bad behavior excuse another's?

                                He calls out Trump all the time for the exact behavior he exhibits. Hey, it’s his legacy. He gets to choose it.

                                The crazy season is on us. And the baseline is batshit crazy.

                                It’s gonna get wild.

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                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

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                                  Not to belabor the obvious, but this is exactly what happens with evolution.

                                  Of course, that doesn’t make it wrong

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                                    xenon
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                                    Pedantic point:

                                    A scientific theory never becomes a law with additional information. There is no term to denote a "stronger" form of a theory.

                                    A law explains a relationship between observed phenomenon, a theory explains why it happens.

                                    The theory of conservation of energy will remain a theory no matter how certain we are that it's true.

                                    The theory of evolution will always remain a theory, no matter how much evidence is put against it.

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                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

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                                      I'm sure you'll find this I interesting, seeing as how enlightened and open minded you are and all, but there are a sizeable number of scientists who admit that intelligent design has just as much credibility as a scientific theory as evolution.

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                                      @Larry said in To think it is one thing...:

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

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                                      I'm sure you'll find this I interesting, seeing as how enlightened and open minded you are and all, but there are a sizeable number of scientists who admit that intelligent design has just as much credibility as a scientific theory as evolution.

                                      A theory is testable and has a track record of at least some data.

                                      For evolution - you can test the theory or falsify it with data.

                                      For intelligent design - it's hard to gather evidence of divine intervention or falsify the fact that it happened. It's fundamentally a matter of faith.

                                      In that sense, it feels like intelligent design can be a hypothesis (doesn't need data), but not a theory (needs data).

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                                        @Larry said in To think it is one thing...:

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

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                                        I'm sure you'll find this I interesting, seeing as how enlightened and open minded you are and all, but there are a sizeable number of scientists who admit that intelligent design has just as much credibility as a scientific theory as evolution.

                                        A theory is testable and has a track record of at least some data.

                                        For evolution - you can test the theory or falsify it with data.

                                        For intelligent design - it's hard to gather evidence of divine intervention or falsify the fact that it happened. It's fundamentally a matter of faith.

                                        In that sense, it feels like intelligent design can be a hypothesis (doesn't need data), but not a theory (needs data).

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                                        Larry
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                                        @xenon said in To think it is one thing...:

                                        @Larry said in To think it is one thing...:

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in To think it is one thing...:

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                                        I'm sure you'll find this I interesting, seeing as how enlightened and open minded you are and all, but there are a sizeable number of scientists who admit that intelligent design has just as much credibility as a scientific theory as evolution.

                                        A theory is testable and has a track record of at least some data.

                                        For evolution - you can test the theory or falsify it with data.

                                        For intelligent design - it's hard to gather evidence of divine intervention or falsify the fact that it happened. It's fundamentally a matter of faith.

                                        In that sense, it feels like intelligent design can be a hypothesis (doesn't need data), but not a theory (needs data).

                                        Oh, no. Sorry, but it IS a scientific theory, based on the very criteria you laid out. Open your mind and go study the subject.

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                                          My favorite is hearing someone say they don’t believe in evolution but then talk about viruses mutating with a straight face.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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