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  • George KG George K

    @Horace said in Rach 2 transcription:

    some of her WTC fugues

    This is ... interesting.

    Link to video

    She makes the first prelude almost Debussy-like.

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    @George-K

    She makes the first prelude almost Debussy-like.

    And I thought Khatia Buniatishvili could at times be a bit too idiosyncratic!

    I was expecting Lim to transition into Liszt’s Leibenstraum rather than the fugue.

    Please tell me she wasn’t playing Bach.

    Elbows up!

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      @George-K

      She makes the first prelude almost Debussy-like.

      And I thought Khatia Buniatishvili could at times be a bit too idiosyncratic!

      I was expecting Lim to transition into Liszt’s Leibenstraum rather than the fugue.

      Please tell me she wasn’t playing Bach.

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      @Renauda said in Rach 2 transcription:

      I thought Khatia Buniatishvili could at times be a bit too idiosyncratic!

      She makes Gould look sane.

      And although she can play fast, in her transcription butchering of the Rachmaninoff, I could swear I heard a lot of slop.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        @George-K

        I like Gould’s Bach and love his Hindemith Sonatas.

        Overall I enjoy Buniatishvili; her Liszt Sonata is among my favourites.

        But this? It’s awful.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @George-K

          I like Gould’s Bach and love his Hindemith Sonatas.

          Overall I enjoy Buniatishvili; her Liszt Sonata is among my favourites.

          But this? It’s awful.

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          @Renauda said in Rach 2 transcription:

          I like Gould’s Bach

          Oh, don't get me wrong! I enjoy it as well. He's faithful, musical, but yeah, still, at times idiosyncratic. Listen to his Mozart K.331!

          He pushed the envelope without setting it on fire.

          If you've had enough whiskey, give her Beethoven a listen.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Thanks, but I’ll stay with Buchbinder’s Beethoven.

            But with Gould, I like his Bach and his recordings of 20th C composers. Never heard his Mozart and his recordings of Romantics that I have heard left me cold. Couldn’t stand his recording of Scriabin’s 3rd Sonata. But as noted above his Hindemith is superb - “Gould really gets it” as a now deceased close friend used to say when he heard a recording or pianist he really liked.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              Thanks, but I’ll stay with Buchbinder’s Beethoven.

              But with Gould, I like his Bach and his recordings of 20th C composers. Never heard his Mozart and his recordings of Romantics that I have heard left me cold. Couldn’t stand his recording of Scriabin’s 3rd Sonata. But as noted above his Hindemith is superb - “Gould really gets it” as a now deceased close friend used to say when he heard a recording or pianist he really liked.

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              @Renauda said in Rach 2 transcription:

              Thanks, but I’ll stay with Buchbinder’s Beethoven.

              Aw, c'mon.

              Waste Devote 5 minutes of your life to this.

              Listeting to her interpretations is inspiring.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Perhaps tomorrow, still recovering from the cacaphony of notation and a whole lot of nothing I heard an hour or so ago.

                Elbows up!

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                  There are other transcriptions of the Rach 2 and they sound better.

                  Kudos for those chops though.

                  They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                    About the Rach 2, the original has explored the modern piano solo and the modern symphonic orchestra so fully that it's hard to "reduce" it to a lesser configuration.

                    Is it "worth doing"? Worth it to whom, compared to what?

                    She did it, she seems happy about it, and enough people buy tickets to go hear it live. I suppose that passes some criteria for "worth it." The critics can go to heck.

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                      I agree, in the big scheme of things it doesn’t matter whether it was or was not done. As Jon pointed out there are other transcriptions that he says sound better. Regardless, the time and effort must have been worth it to her.

                      Will just have to see how her transcription stands up to the test of time.

                      Elbows up!

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