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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    @Axtremus said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

    1. Try religions. They make various concepts of supernatural beings love or care about you personally.

    2. Have lots of money, then you can afford bespoke services with lots of customized-just-for-you personal touches.

    For thousands of years humanity has succeeded due to interpersonal communication. Now we've got machines to do that for us. What could possibly go wrong?

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    @Doctor-Phibes said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

    For thousands of years humanity has succeeded due to interpersonal communication. Now we've got machines to do that for us. What could possibly go wrong?

    Have the last few thousand years been "right"? Given "interpersonal communication" as it were, the human condition in the last few millennia was quite challenging by modern standards, no?

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @Aqua-Letifer said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

      That'll certainly help the mental health epidemic.

      I absolutely hate this trend towards depersonaling everything. We're isolated enough already.

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      @Doctor-Phibes said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

      @Aqua-Letifer said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

      That'll certainly help the mental health epidemic.

      I absolutely hate this trend towards depersonaling everything. We're isolated enough already.

      ❤️

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        @Doctor-Phibes said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

        For thousands of years humanity has succeeded due to interpersonal communication. Now we've got machines to do that for us. What could possibly go wrong?

        Have the last few thousand years been "right"? Given "interpersonal communication" as it were, the human condition in the last few millennia was quite challenging by modern standards, no?

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        @Axtremus said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

        For thousands of years humanity has succeeded due to interpersonal communication. Now we've got machines to do that for us. What could possibly go wrong?

        Have the last few thousand years been "right"? Given "interpersonal communication" as it were, the human condition in the last few millennia was quite challenging by modern standards, no?

        Speaking of connection, is there any way to block moderators? Thanks.

        Please love yourself.

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @Aqua-Letifer said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

          That'll certainly help the mental health epidemic.

          I absolutely hate this trend towards depersonaling everything. We're isolated enough already.

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          Aqua Letifer
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          @Doctor-Phibes said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

          @Aqua-Letifer said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

          That'll certainly help the mental health epidemic.

          I absolutely hate this trend towards depersonaling everything. We're isolated enough already.

          People aren't happier in those places. It's not good for us.

          Please love yourself.

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            No. We are social animals.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              @Axtremus said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

              For thousands of years humanity has succeeded due to interpersonal communication. Now we've got machines to do that for us. What could possibly go wrong?

              Have the last few thousand years been "right"? Given "interpersonal communication" as it were, the human condition in the last few millennia was quite challenging by modern standards, no?

              Speaking of connection, is there any way to block moderators? Thanks.

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              @Aqua-Letifer said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

              Speaking of connection, is there any way to block moderators? Thanks.

              You cannot block admins and moderators.

              But if your question is specific to 'ol Ax, see this: https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/28840/ax-admin-vs-axtremus?_=1710643048706

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                I don’t like blocking.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                  Speaking of connection, is there any way to block moderators? Thanks.

                  You cannot block admins and moderators.

                  But if your question is specific to 'ol Ax, see this: https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/28840/ax-admin-vs-axtremus?_=1710643048706

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                  Aqua Letifer
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                  @Axtremus said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                  Speaking of connection, is there any way to block moderators? Thanks.

                  You cannot block admins and moderators.

                  But if your question is specific to 'ol Ax, see this: https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/28840/ax-admin-vs-axtremus?_=1710643048706

                  No, it's specific to you.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • MikM Mik

                    I don’t like blocking.

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                    @Mik said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                    I don’t like blocking.

                    I don't either as a baseline—I don't want to live in an echo chamber. But when someone continues to act like a troll it shouldn't be surprising they in turn get treated as such.

                    Please love yourself.

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                      Funny, didn't we have a conversation last week about how technology has improved and increased "interpersonal communication"? Cell phones now have adult children and their parents in closer contact than they have been in decades. At the same time, cell phones are taking away the ability to say "S'up?!" to a teenager standing behind a register ringing up our chicken nuggets. Now, while there are a few of us that I know will actually engage in conversation with bank tellers, cashiers, servers, etc... How many people really do? My guess is they are the exception and not the rule.

                      My concern about this is the removal of the jobs. We've touched on the effect that AI and automation will have on employment. Touched on the economic challenges posed both individually and collectively. My concern is more about the mental well-being of society. Not because they aren't having interactions and communication, but the loss of purpose, loss of dignity, and loss of personal drive. Working as a cashier at a fast food joint may not seem like that much of a loss for most of us, but for a young person it can affect their learning work habits, commitment, how to function and relate in a team environment, and more.

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        Funny, didn't we have a conversation last week about how technology has improved and increased "interpersonal communication"? Cell phones now have adult children and their parents in closer contact than they have been in decades. At the same time, cell phones are taking away the ability to say "S'up?!" to a teenager standing behind a register ringing up our chicken nuggets. Now, while there are a few of us that I know will actually engage in conversation with bank tellers, cashiers, servers, etc... How many people really do? My guess is they are the exception and not the rule.

                        My concern about this is the removal of the jobs. We've touched on the effect that AI and automation will have on employment. Touched on the economic challenges posed both individually and collectively. My concern is more about the mental well-being of society. Not because they aren't having interactions and communication, but the loss of purpose, loss of dignity, and loss of personal drive. Working as a cashier at a fast food joint may not seem like that much of a loss for most of us, but for a young person it can affect their learning work habits, commitment, how to function and relate in a team environment, and more.

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                        @LuFins-Dad said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                        Funny, didn't we have a conversation last week about how technology has improved and increased "interpersonal communication"?

                        No, we said they'd improved communication between parents and children. You only have to look at a long line of teenagers all sitting together in the mall, texting, to question whether the improvement is there across the board.

                        I was only joking

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          Funny, didn't we have a conversation last week about how technology has improved and increased "interpersonal communication"? Cell phones now have adult children and their parents in closer contact than they have been in decades. At the same time, cell phones are taking away the ability to say "S'up?!" to a teenager standing behind a register ringing up our chicken nuggets. Now, while there are a few of us that I know will actually engage in conversation with bank tellers, cashiers, servers, etc... How many people really do? My guess is they are the exception and not the rule.

                          My concern about this is the removal of the jobs. We've touched on the effect that AI and automation will have on employment. Touched on the economic challenges posed both individually and collectively. My concern is more about the mental well-being of society. Not because they aren't having interactions and communication, but the loss of purpose, loss of dignity, and loss of personal drive. Working as a cashier at a fast food joint may not seem like that much of a loss for most of us, but for a young person it can affect their learning work habits, commitment, how to function and relate in a team environment, and more.

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                          @LuFins-Dad said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                          We've touched on the effect that AI and automation will have on employment.

                          Does have on employment. It's already well started.

                          My concern is more about the mental well-being of society. Not because they aren't having interactions and communication, but the loss of purpose, loss of dignity, and loss of personal drive. Working as a cashier at a fast food joint may not seem like that much of a loss for most of us, but for a young person it can affect their learning work habits, commitment, how to function and relate in a team environment, and more.

                          1. We already know that autonomy - community = narcissism and sociopathy. So your worry is well-founded.
                          2. The same can be said of kids who grow up not learning the difference between learning an instrument and asking AI to make some bullshit for you.

                          We're still grappling with the fact that exercise is now a choice, and that it's better for us if we choose it. That's still a hard lesson to learn.

                          But now we're confronted with weird new choices. For example, we can now live without expressing ourselves, having rituals or living among a community. We aren't supposed to do that and the choice is making us crazy.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            Funny, didn't we have a conversation last week about how technology has improved and increased "interpersonal communication"? Cell phones now have adult children and their parents in closer contact than they have been in decades. At the same time, cell phones are taking away the ability to say "S'up?!" to a teenager standing behind a register ringing up our chicken nuggets. Now, while there are a few of us that I know will actually engage in conversation with bank tellers, cashiers, servers, etc... How many people really do? My guess is they are the exception and not the rule.

                            My concern about this is the removal of the jobs. We've touched on the effect that AI and automation will have on employment. Touched on the economic challenges posed both individually and collectively. My concern is more about the mental well-being of society. Not because they aren't having interactions and communication, but the loss of purpose, loss of dignity, and loss of personal drive. Working as a cashier at a fast food joint may not seem like that much of a loss for most of us, but for a young person it can affect their learning work habits, commitment, how to function and relate in a team environment, and more.

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                            My guess is they are the exception and not the rule.

                            I do. My wife is worse. Before dinner is over, my wife will know the waiter's kids's names...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              @LuFins-Dad said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                              My guess is they are the exception and not the rule.

                              I do. My wife is worse. Before dinner is over, my wife will know the waiter's kids's names...

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                              @Jolly said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                              @LuFins-Dad said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                              My guess is they are the exception and not the rule.

                              I do. My wife is worse. Before dinner is over, my wife will know the waiter's kids's names...

                              Waiters at restaurants is kind of a different feel.

                              The Brad

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                                I speak to cashiers, etc all the time. It’s a social thing.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  I hit on them. Does that count?

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    I hit on them. Does that count?

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                                    @jon-nyc said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                                    I hit on them. Does that count?

                                    I know. Ahmed at the 7/11 in Lorton told me about it.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      I hit on them. Does that count?

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                                      @jon-nyc said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                                      I hit on them. Does that count?

                                      Certainly. The essence of social.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        @jon-nyc said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                                        I hit on them. Does that count?

                                        I know. Ahmed at the 7/11 in Lorton told me about it.

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                                        @LuFins-Dad said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                                        @jon-nyc said in The future of the $50 minimum wage:

                                        I hit on them. Does that count?

                                        I know. Ahmed at the 7/11 in Lorton told me about it.

                                        He was pissed when he saw the way his wife looked at me.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          I agree with @Aqua-Letifer @Mik and @Holly

                                          People are social and like to have interaction with other people. Any trend to decrease this is not overall good for society.

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