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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #9

    If he is of Egyptian heritage he is racially north African. Neither an Arab Semite or Caucasian.

    What’s the issue?

    Elbows up!

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      If he is of Egyptian heritage he is racially north African. Neither an Arab Semite or Caucasian.

      What’s the issue?

      George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #10

      @Renauda said in Fluid race:

      What’s the issue?

      I'm not sure that the thinking in this case goes that deep, but it certainly points out the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

      But, here's the other interesting part, which @Copper didn't quote:

      The 20-year veteran of the Chicago Police Department points in his lawsuit to CPD’s promotion system that "particularly" benefits "minority candidates," even if they did not score well on promotional exams.

      Yusuf specifically claims he "scored in the first promotional tier" on the sergeant’s exam in 2019. But, he was not promoted then and has still not received such a promotion.

      Since that time, he alleges in the lawsuit to have seen "over 75 Merit Promotions to sergeant," with "less than five" going to candidates who identify as Caucasian.

      "Despite Yusuf’s exemplary qualifications and the purported race-neutral policy of the Merit System, Yusuf has been repeatedly bypassed for promotion in favor of less qualified candidates, based on their race, specifically African American officers, some of whom had disciplinary issues and were not suitable for the responsibilities of a sergeant," Yusuf said in his complaint.

      Yusuf said he first joined the force in 2004 and, at the time, the department only offered three race selections: Caucasian, Black and Hispanic. He chose "Caucasian" and it was put on his official record, he said.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @Renauda said in Fluid race:

        What’s the issue?

        I'm not sure that the thinking in this case goes that deep, but it certainly points out the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

        But, here's the other interesting part, which @Copper didn't quote:

        The 20-year veteran of the Chicago Police Department points in his lawsuit to CPD’s promotion system that "particularly" benefits "minority candidates," even if they did not score well on promotional exams.

        Yusuf specifically claims he "scored in the first promotional tier" on the sergeant’s exam in 2019. But, he was not promoted then and has still not received such a promotion.

        Since that time, he alleges in the lawsuit to have seen "over 75 Merit Promotions to sergeant," with "less than five" going to candidates who identify as Caucasian.

        "Despite Yusuf’s exemplary qualifications and the purported race-neutral policy of the Merit System, Yusuf has been repeatedly bypassed for promotion in favor of less qualified candidates, based on their race, specifically African American officers, some of whom had disciplinary issues and were not suitable for the responsibilities of a sergeant," Yusuf said in his complaint.

        Yusuf said he first joined the force in 2004 and, at the time, the department only offered three race selections: Caucasian, Black and Hispanic. He chose "Caucasian" and it was put on his official record, he said.

        RenaudaR Offline
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        wrote on last edited by
        #11

        @George-K

        I'm not sure that the thinking in this case goes that deep, but it certainly points out the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

        That’s why I see no issue for either the cop or the police department.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @George-K

          I'm not sure that the thinking in this case goes that deep, but it certainly points out the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

          That’s why I see no issue for either the cop or the police department.

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          George K
          wrote on last edited by George K
          #12

          @Renauda said in Fluid race:

          I see no issue for either the cop or the police department.

          I think he's basing his lawsuit on the fact that minorities have passed him over for promotion despite having lower scores.

          If he's a minority, he might do better?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #13

            Don’t know. But being an Egyptian is a heavy cross to carry. Nobody likes him except his mother.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians_Act_1554

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              Don’t know. But being an Egyptian is a heavy cross to carry. Nobody likes him except his mother.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians_Act_1554

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              George K
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              @Renauda said in Fluid race:

              But being an Egyptian is a heavy cross to carry.

              I've commented that I worked with an ENT who's uncle (also an ENT) was from Egypt.

              Rumor is that he put "African American" on his medical school application.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #15

                Why shouldn’t he?

                Last time I looked at the map, Egypt was still located on the African continent on the south coast of the Mediterranean Sea.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
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                  #16

                  Yeah, if you’re going to deny the geography you’ll have to define less savory distinctions.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Yeah, if you’re going to deny the geography you’ll have to define less savory distinctions.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    @Mik said in Fluid race:

                    Yeah, if you’re going to deny the geography you’ll have to define less savory distinctions.

                    LOL - well put.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
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                      #18

                      It all boils down to whether one is privileged or oppressed. The oppressed-face appropriation of Claudine Gay or Kamala Harris is no less disgusting than Rachel Dolezal. There are plenty of people with black skin who grew up privileged, and they comprise the oppressed-face of most elite mainstream institutions.

                      Education is extremely important.

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