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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-goodbye-electric-cars-hydrogen-car/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Is hydrogen "cleaner" than traditional electric vehicles - is the reliance on rare-earth metals, etc any smaller?

      Again, there's the huge infrastructure problem. But, being able to refuel, quickly at the corner gas station (yeah, I said "gas") would solve a lot of issues with plugging into a network - somewhere.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Hydrogen powered is still internal combustion, is it not? I'd think in the long run much cleaner. Then there is the weight factor to consider. EVs are about 50% heavier than an IC car. That has an impact on our roadways and especially urban bridges.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          The problems I see with hydrogen are it tends to leak as it's such a small molecule, it's relatively expensive to produce, you have to store it at high pressure, and when it ignites, it does so in a big way.

          It's got to be a lot cleaner than lithium batteries.

          I was only joking

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Problem with hydrogen is it takes more energy to make it than what you get. But...here's where I think that solar or wind could shine, as best they can.

            A review of living with a hydrogen car...

            https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-toyota-mirai-fcev-yearlong-test-review-verdict/

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Mik

              Hydrogen powered is still internal combustion, is it not? I'd think in the long run much cleaner. Then there is the weight factor to consider. EVs are about 50% heavier than an IC car. That has an impact on our roadways and especially urban bridges.

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              @Mik said in More Hydrogen:

              Hydrogen powered is still internal combustion, is it not?

              No. Hydrogen is used in a fuel cell to make electricity.

              BMW and Sasol, a multinational integrated chemical and energy corporation, are working together to develop hydrogen fuel cell technology for electric vehicles.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                I have hear that Toyota is also doing alot of research into Hydrogen power cars.

                That is a good thing.

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  I have hear that Toyota is also doing alot of research into Hydrogen power cars.

                  That is a good thing.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  @taiwan_girl said in More Hydrogen:

                  I have hear that Toyota is also doing alot of research into Hydrogen power cars.

                  That is a good thing.

                  See linked article within this thread...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @taiwan_girl said in More Hydrogen:

                    I have hear that Toyota is also doing alot of research into Hydrogen power cars.

                    That is a good thing.

                    See linked article within this thread...

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                    @Jolly Thanks!!

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      I have hear that Toyota is also doing alot of research into Hydrogen power cars.

                      That is a good thing.

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                      @taiwan_girl said in More Hydrogen:

                      That is a good thing.

                      That depends whether you are buying or selling.

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                        Walked by this last night. Lots of taxis in Brazil run on Nat Gas

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                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          Walked by this last night. Lots of taxis in Brazil run on Nat Gas

                          IMG_3740.jpeg

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                          @jon-nyc said in More Hydrogen:

                          Walked by this last night. Lots of taxis in Brazil run on Nat Gas

                          IMG_3740.jpeg

                          Oh I thought you were still in Napa. Darn.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Be there Wednesday

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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