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  • JollyJ Jolly

    BTW, look at how interpreting a constitution any way the powerful may wish, is working in Russia right now.

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    #29

    @Jolly

    I suggest you not conflate the two, Russia and The USA, for a constitutional law library full of reasons starting with institutions of governance and the federalist system.

    No comparison whatsoever and any attempt to make one will amount to nothing more than a straw man.

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
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      Human nature does not change. The thirst for power does not change. The desire of the powerful to trample whomever or whatever they need to, in order to maintain power or acquire more power has never abated since man started to walk on this planet.

      Truer words were never spoken.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        #31

        I am not a Constitution lawyer (obviously. LOL), but the US constitution has always been changing. Maybe "changing" is not the right word, but it is always being interpreted over time. That is why sometimes the Supreme Court will rule one way and then at some future point, they rule another way.

        Also, I would bet that every amendment has some sort of restriction attached to it that were not part of the original wording.

        For example:
        Amendment #1 -Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,

        It is not absolute. Courts have said there are restrictions on free speech

        Amendment #2 - right to bear arms

        It is not absolute. There are restrictions here also. Even if they had the money to do it, a twelve year old could not go and buy an nuclear bomb.

        etc.

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          I am not a Constitution lawyer (obviously. LOL), but the US constitution has always been changing. Maybe "changing" is not the right word, but it is always being interpreted over time. That is why sometimes the Supreme Court will rule one way and then at some future point, they rule another way.

          Also, I would bet that every amendment has some sort of restriction attached to it that were not part of the original wording.

          For example:
          Amendment #1 -Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,

          It is not absolute. Courts have said there are restrictions on free speech

          Amendment #2 - right to bear arms

          It is not absolute. There are restrictions here also. Even if they had the money to do it, a twelve year old could not go and buy an nuclear bomb.

          etc.

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          @taiwan_girl said in SCOTUS to Decide on Legality of Bump Stock:

          the US constitution has always been changing

          Er, no. Not "always."

          The last amendment, "change" was 32 years ago.
          The one before that was 53 years ago.
          The one before that was in 1967.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @taiwan_girl said in SCOTUS to Decide on Legality of Bump Stock:

            the US constitution has always been changing

            Er, no. Not "always."

            The last amendment, "change" was 32 years ago.
            The one before that was 53 years ago.
            The one before that was in 1967.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States

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            @George-K said in SCOTUS to Decide on Legality of Bump Stock:

            @taiwan_girl said in SCOTUS to Decide on Legality of Bump Stock:

            the US constitution has always been changing

            Er, no. Not "always."

            The last amendment, "change" was 32 years ago.
            The one before that was 53 years ago.
            The one before that was in 1967.

            The interpretations seem to have always been changing, which is essentially the same thing. Wasn't Roe vs. Wade decided based on one interpretation, and then overturned based on a different one?

            I was only joking

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              I am not a Constitution lawyer (obviously. LOL), but the US constitution has always been changing. Maybe "changing" is not the right word, but it is always being interpreted over time. That is why sometimes the Supreme Court will rule one way and then at some future point, they rule another way.

              Also, I would bet that every amendment has some sort of restriction attached to it that were not part of the original wording.

              For example:
              Amendment #1 -Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,

              It is not absolute. Courts have said there are restrictions on free speech

              Amendment #2 - right to bear arms

              It is not absolute. There are restrictions here also. Even if they had the money to do it, a twelve year old could not go and buy an nuclear bomb.

              etc.

              taiwan_girlT Offline
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              taiwan_girl
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              #34

              @taiwan_girl said in SCOTUS to Decide on Legality of Bump Stock:

              Also, I would bet that every amendment has some sort of restriction attached to it that were not part of the original wording.

              For example:
              Amendment #1 -Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,

              It is not absolute. Courts have said there are restrictions on free speech

              A recent case which allows restrictions on free speech

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/02/26/supreme-court-california-traffic-ban-horn-honking/72718500007/

              The Supreme Court on Monday upheld a California traffic law that bans honking – other than to warn another driver − turning down a challenge to the law from a woman ticketed for honking while driving by a rally outside her congressman’s office in 2017.

              Susan Porter had argued her beeps of support were protected by the First Amendment.

              So, I do not see any reason why there cannot be restrictions on guns.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Two different Amendments, ma'am.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Two different Amendments, ma'am.

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                  #36

                  @Jolly said in SCOTUS to Decide on Legality of Bump Stock:

                  Two different Amendments, ma'am.

                  What does that mean? Is one amendment more "powerful" than another?

                  I still say that I doubt that there are any amendments that are "absolute". What I mean is that every amendment has some sort of restriction to it.

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                    #37

                    The Supreme Court had decided that:
                    "Bump stock" is legal; the ATF exceeded its power when it banned the device.

                    https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-strikes-down-trump-era-federal-ban-on-bump-stocks-142254766.html

                    The decision (PDF): https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-976_e29g.pdf

                    Thomas wrote for the majority.
                    Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson in the minority.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #38

                      Idiots

                      I was only joking

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        The Supreme Court had decided that:
                        "Bump stock" is legal; the ATF exceeded its power when it banned the device.

                        https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-strikes-down-trump-era-federal-ban-on-bump-stocks-142254766.html

                        The decision (PDF): https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-976_e29g.pdf

                        Thomas wrote for the majority.
                        Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson in the minority.

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #39

                        @Axtremus said in SCOTUS to Decide on Legality of Bump Stock:

                        The Supreme Court had decided that:
                        "Bump stock" is legal; the ATF exceeded its power when it banned the device.

                        https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-strikes-down-trump-era-federal-ban-on-bump-stocks-142254766.html

                        The decision (PDF): https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-976_e29g.pdf

                        Thomas wrote for the majority.
                        Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson in the minority.

                        It's a simple ruling. All Congress has to do is pass a law. BATF can't make law up out of thin air

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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