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Before we were fat

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  • Doctor PhibesD Online
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    Doctor Phibes
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    That was the year my mum was born. As a kid she'd walk down the road to go watch the blacksmith at work.

    Different world.

    I was only joking

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    • bachophileB bachophile

      Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

      so the idea that in the 30s, people were healthier doesnt really hold water.

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      George K
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      #8

      @bachophile said in Before we were fat:

      Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

      so the idea that in the 30s, people were healthier doesnt really hold water.

      Good point.

      Now, imagine if people today looked like that and had the advantages of 100 years of medicine.

      Oh, and "caring what you looked like" might sound silly, but there's something to be said for self-esteem.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @bachophile said in Before we were fat:

        Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

        so the idea that in the 30s, people were healthier doesnt really hold water.

        Good point.

        Now, imagine if people today looked like that and had the advantages of 100 years of medicine.

        Oh, and "caring what you looked like" might sound silly, but there's something to be said for self-esteem.

        Doctor PhibesD Online
        Doctor PhibesD Online
        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on last edited by
        #9

        @George-K said in Before we were fat:

        Now, imagine if people today looked like that and had the advantages of 100 years of medicine.

        They'd be French?

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          That was the year my mum was born. As a kid she'd walk down the road to go watch the blacksmith at work.

          Different world.

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          George K
          wrote on last edited by George K
          #10

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Before we were fat:

          Different world.

          Also a small detail about life expectancy in the 1920s.

          Fleming discovered penicillin in about 1928. Sulfa came in the 1930s.

          The absence of antibiotics might have a bit to do with longevity.

          image.jpeg

          Look at the prevalence of infectious diseases in 1900 vs 2010.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @bachophile said in Before we were fat:

            Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

            so the idea that in the 30s, people were healthier doesnt really hold water.

            Good point.

            Now, imagine if people today looked like that and had the advantages of 100 years of medicine.

            Oh, and "caring what you looked like" might sound silly, but there's something to be said for self-esteem.

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            @George-K said in Before we were fat:

            Oh, and "caring what you looked like" might sound silly, but there's something to be said for self-esteem.

            Does that say anything about self-esteem, or merely a desire for external validation? People with extensive tattoos and piercings, and people who have undergone cosmetic plastic surgeries certainly care a lot about what they look like, to the point of repeatedly enduring pain to achieve their looks. What does that tell you about self-esteem?

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              Jolly
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              #12

              That you have none?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • bachophileB bachophile

                Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

                so the idea that in the 30s, people were healthier doesnt really hold water.

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                Copper
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                #13

                @bachophile said in Before we were fat:

                Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

                People born in 1930 had to make it through WW II, although they were a little too young to fight.

                Many people born in this century had all the advantages of Obamacare.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Before we were fat:

                  Different world.

                  Also a small detail about life expectancy in the 1920s.

                  Fleming discovered penicillin in about 1928. Sulfa came in the 1930s.

                  The absence of antibiotics might have a bit to do with longevity.

                  image.jpeg

                  Look at the prevalence of infectious diseases in 1900 vs 2010.

                  jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #14

                  @George-K said in Before we were fat:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Before we were fat:

                  Different world.

                  Also a small detail about life expectancy in the 1920s.

                  Fleming discovered penicillin in about 1928. Sulfa came in the 1930s.

                  The absence of antibiotics might have a bit to do with longevity.

                  image.jpeg

                  Look at the prevalence of infectious diseases in 1900 vs 2010.

                  I was going to make this point. It’s not like people died earlier because they had more chronic illnesses. They mostly died of acute conditions we can treat or prevent today.

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @bachophile said in Before we were fat:

                    Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

                    so the idea that in the 30s, people were healthier doesnt really hold water.

                    Good point.

                    Now, imagine if people today looked like that and had the advantages of 100 years of medicine.

                    Oh, and "caring what you looked like" might sound silly, but there's something to be said for self-esteem.

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                    taiwan_girl
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                    @George-K said in Before we were fat:

                    Oh, and "caring what you looked like" might sound silly, but there's something to be said for self-esteem.

                    Agree. Wise words.

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                      Horace
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                      #16

                      I was born physically attractive and there is little I can do to counter it.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #17

                        The widespread smoking also likely shortened lifespans (and was why all those 20 year olds looked 40)…

                        The Brad

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #18

                          WW2 probably didn't help much either.

                          The good old days.

                          I was only joking

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                            LuFins Dad
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                            This picture was taken in Pittsburgh in 1940. It was taken at 9 AM.

                            alt text

                            The Brad

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                            • bachophileB bachophile

                              Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

                              so the idea that in the 30s, people were healthier doesnt really hold water.

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                              xenon
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                              @bachophile said in Before we were fat:

                              Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

                              so the idea that in the 30s, people were healthier doesnt really hold water.

                              That's lower than expected. I wonder how much of the effect is due to infant mortality going down.

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                                @bachophile said in Before we were fat:

                                Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was 58 for men and 62 for women.

                                so the idea that in the 30s, people were healthier doesnt really hold water.

                                That's lower than expected. I wonder how much of the effect is due to infant mortality going down.

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by George K
                                #21

                                @xenon said in Before we were fat:

                                That's lower than expected. I wonder how much of the effect is due to infant mortality going down.

                                Good point. I wonder how it would be if you eliminated deaths during the first year of life.

                                In Rome:

                                However, if a person survived childhood, their life expectancy would increase significantly.

                                For example, a Roman reaching the age of 10 could expect to live to around 45 or 50.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Roman_Empire

                                Screenshot 2024-02-12 at 1.43.49 PM.png

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #22

                                  Vaccines, antibiotics, and civil engineering are chiefly responsible for the increase from what I’ve read.

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    #23

                                    How about “All of the above”?

                                    The Brad

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @xenon said in Before we were fat:

                                      That's lower than expected. I wonder how much of the effect is due to infant mortality going down.

                                      Good point. I wonder how it would be if you eliminated deaths during the first year of life.

                                      In Rome:

                                      However, if a person survived childhood, their life expectancy would increase significantly.

                                      For example, a Roman reaching the age of 10 could expect to live to around 45 or 50.

                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Roman_Empire

                                      Screenshot 2024-02-12 at 1.43.49 PM.png

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                                      @George-K That is interesting Half the people died before age 10 years.

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