The GOP shoots itself in the foot again

[George K]

As I mentioned all disputes about the border are adjudicated in the DC Circuit court. Talk about institutionalizing venue shopping.

[taiwan_girl]

For good or bad, politics is the art of compromise. In 2024, President Biden (or his replacement) will be elected. Even if both Congress and Senate go to the Republicans (and that is not a sure thing), what are the chances of a bill that the Republicans 100% want will get passed?

As @George-K said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:

The bill is, to be sure, the best bipartisan immigration bill we’ve seen out of Washington, D.C., in decades,

[taiwan_girl]

Correct me if I misunderstand.

One of the things that the Republicans in the Congress did not like about the original bill was that there were border and aid both in the bill. And they wanted it separate.

Now, a bill with only aid for Isreal, Ukraine, and Taiwan has been passed by the Senate. And yet. Rep Johnson says that he will not even bring it for a vote. Why is that?

I think the Republicans do not have to think why the 2024 elections results will not be so good for them.

[George K]

@taiwan_girl said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:

Now, a bill with only aid for Isreal, Ukraine, and Taiwan has been passed by the Senate.

I might be wrong, but aren't those all together?

[taiwan_girl]

@George-K said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:

@taiwan_girl said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:

Now, a bill with only aid for Isreal, Ukraine, and Taiwan has been passed by the Senate.

I might be wrong, but aren't those all together?

Yes, it is a total aid bill. X$ for Isreal, X$ for Ukraine, and X$ for Taiwan.

[George K]

@taiwan_girl said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:

Yes, it is a total aid bill. X$ for Isreal, X$ for Ukraine, and X$ for Taiwan.

And that's the problem. Without getting into how I feel about aid for any individual country, the idea of making it "all or nothing" is stupid.

Yeah, I get the idea of compromise, but to say, "I won't support the bill unless it ALSO includes this stuff" is stupid.

Wanna support Israel? Fine.
Wanna support Taiwan? Fine.
Wanna support Ukraine? Fine.

Now, how much for each - and don't conflate them.

This is a symptom of a much larger disease in Congress where you can't get "A" without supporting "B." It's beyond compromise - it's extortion.

[taiwan_girl]

I understand what you are saying, but for this bill, I am guessing that if you are/against aid for X country (of the three listed), you are probably for aid for the others.

There are I am sure many foregn aid bills. Do they vote separately on aid to Botswana or is it part of a general aid bill? Even with in aid bills, there are hundreds of separate categories where the aid is going. I am in favor of aid to fight malaria in Botswana, but not cholera. Separate them. (Just joking, but here the Republics ask for something - they get it, but then that is not good enough and there is another excuse.)

Anyways, let let the congressmen vote on it. Not allowing to be voted on is maybe worse than Speaker Johnson wanting to separate them.

At this point, even if the bill was separated into three bills, I am sure that there would be some sort of excuse not to vote on them either.

[taiwan_girl]

I think this is the definition of "irony"

The Biden administration’s proposed plan to use executive authority to limit asylum seekers at the southern border has already drawn heavy criticism from congressional Republicans, many of whom spent months pushing Biden to use his presidential powers to reinstate similar Trump-era policies.

The Biden administration has not officially announced the new measures, but House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) has already denounced the proposed order,

(He must be phycsic, as he knows its bad even before he has seen it. 555)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2024/02/22/republicans-condemn-bidens-proposed-border-restrictions-after-advocating-similar-policies-previously/?sh=750b4226747f

[Jolly]

You think there are secrets in Washington?

Silly girl...

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly I dont but then there are cases when a bill comes for a vote, and one side or the other complains that they haven't seen it, etc. etc.

I guess politics as usual. 555

[Jolly]

Personally, I think we need to get back to stand-alone bills and ditch a lot of the earmark (thank you, Dems) silliness. I also think the Pelosi Review Window of 24 hours to review a 500 page bill is utter BS and should never, ever happen again.