The GOP shoots itself in the foot again
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General Question: What is so bad about the bill that the GOP will not vote for it?
Here are the key changes included in the bill:
— New emergency authority to restrict border crossings if daily average migrant encounters reach 4,000 over a one-week span. If that metric is reached, the Homeland Security secretary could decide to largely bar migrants from seeking asylum if they crossed the border unlawfully.
If migrant crossings increase above 5,000 on average per day on a given week, DHS is required to use the authority. If encounters reach 8,500 in one day, the department is required to trigger the authority. But the federal government is limited in how long it can use the authority.
In the first year, the government can use it for 270 days, then 225 calendar days in the second year, and 180 days in the third year. The authority sunsets after three years.
— Codifies a policy that requires the government to process at least 1,400 asylum applications at ports of entry when the emergency authority is triggered.
— Raises the legal standard of proof to pass the initial screening for asylum, making it potentially more difficult for asylum seekers to pass.
— Expedites the asylum processing timeline from years to six months.
— Introduces a new process in which US Citizenship and Immigration Services would decide an asylum claim without it going through the immigration court system. The process doesn’t apply to unaccompanied migrant children.
— Preserves the president’s authority to designate humanitarian parole on a case-by-case basis. President Joe Biden has used the authority for Ukrainians, Afghans, Cubans, Venezuelans and Haitians, among other populations.
— Includes limited changes that narrow the use of parole at land borders.
— Authorizes 250,000 additional immigrant visas to spread out over five years for families and applies to employment-based immigrants.
— Provides a pathway to citizenship for Afghans paroled into the United States after the US’ withdrawal from Afghanistan and extends the special immigrant visa program for Afghans who worked for the US government.
Here is a summary of the monies in the bill
https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/national_security_and_border_act_summary.pdf
@taiwan_girl said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:
General Question: What is so bad about the bill that the GOP will not vote for it?
Here are the key changes included in the bill:
— New emergency authority to restrict border crossings if daily average migrant encounters reach 4,000 over a one-week span. If that metric is reached, the Homeland Security secretary could decide to largely bar migrants from seeking asylum if they crossed the border unlawfully.
If migrant crossings increase above 5,000 on average per day on a given week, DHS is required to use the authority. If encounters reach 8,500 in one day, the department is required to trigger the authority. But the federal government is limited in how long it can use the authority.
In the first year, the government can use it for 270 days, then 225 calendar days in the second year, and 180 days in the third year. The authority sunsets after three years.
— Codifies a policy that requires the government to process at least 1,400 asylum applications at ports of entry when the emergency authority is triggered.
— Raises the legal standard of proof to pass the initial screening for asylum, making it potentially more difficult for asylum seekers to pass.
— Expedites the asylum processing timeline from years to six months.
— Introduces a new process in which US Citizenship and Immigration Services would decide an asylum claim without it going through the immigration court system. The process doesn’t apply to unaccompanied migrant children.
— Preserves the president’s authority to designate humanitarian parole on a case-by-case basis. President Joe Biden has used the authority for Ukrainians, Afghans, Cubans, Venezuelans and Haitians, among other populations.
— Includes limited changes that narrow the use of parole at land borders.
— Authorizes 250,000 additional immigrant visas to spread out over five years for families and applies to employment-based immigrants.
— Provides a pathway to citizenship for Afghans paroled into the United States after the US’ withdrawal from Afghanistan and extends the special immigrant visa program for Afghans who worked for the US government.
Here is a summary of the monies in the bill
https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/national_security_and_border_act_summary.pdf
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4000? Already unacceptable. 1 by all rights and measures should be the declared unacceptable. 4000 is absurdly ridiculous.
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5000?! Worse than 4000. Unacceptable.
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Government can use it 270 days a year? Then 225? Fuck that… laws aren’t laws for only certain days.
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requires the country to approve appplications that they couldn’t before? Seriously? In what bizarre demented world does that sound secure?
You know what? I disagree with each and every single point that you posted.
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For good or bad, politics is the art of compromise. In 2024, President Biden (or his replacement) will be elected. Even if both Congress and Senate go to the Republicans (and that is not a sure thing), what are the chances of a bill that the Republicans 100% want will get passed?
As @George-K said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:
The bill is, to be sure, the best bipartisan immigration bill we’ve seen out of Washington, D.C., in decades,
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Correct me if I misunderstand.
One of the things that the Republicans in the Congress did not like about the original bill was that there were border and aid both in the bill. And they wanted it separate.
Now, a bill with only aid for Isreal, Ukraine, and Taiwan has been passed by the Senate. And yet. Rep Johnson says that he will not even bring it for a vote. Why is that?
I think the Republicans do not have to think why the 2024 elections results will not be so good for them.
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Correct me if I misunderstand.
One of the things that the Republicans in the Congress did not like about the original bill was that there were border and aid both in the bill. And they wanted it separate.
Now, a bill with only aid for Isreal, Ukraine, and Taiwan has been passed by the Senate. And yet. Rep Johnson says that he will not even bring it for a vote. Why is that?
I think the Republicans do not have to think why the 2024 elections results will not be so good for them.
@taiwan_girl said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:
Now, a bill with only aid for Isreal, Ukraine, and Taiwan has been passed by the Senate.
I might be wrong, but aren't those all together?
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@taiwan_girl said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:
Now, a bill with only aid for Isreal, Ukraine, and Taiwan has been passed by the Senate.
I might be wrong, but aren't those all together?
@George-K said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:
@taiwan_girl said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:
Now, a bill with only aid for Isreal, Ukraine, and Taiwan has been passed by the Senate.
I might be wrong, but aren't those all together?
Yes, it is a total aid bill. X$ for Isreal, X$ for Ukraine, and X$ for Taiwan.
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@George-K said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:
@taiwan_girl said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:
Now, a bill with only aid for Isreal, Ukraine, and Taiwan has been passed by the Senate.
I might be wrong, but aren't those all together?
Yes, it is a total aid bill. X$ for Isreal, X$ for Ukraine, and X$ for Taiwan.
@taiwan_girl said in The GOP shoots itself in the foot again:
Yes, it is a total aid bill. X$ for Isreal, X$ for Ukraine, and X$ for Taiwan.
And that's the problem. Without getting into how I feel about aid for any individual country, the idea of making it "all or nothing" is stupid.
Yeah, I get the idea of compromise, but to say, "I won't support the bill unless it ALSO includes this stuff" is stupid.
Wanna support Israel? Fine.
Wanna support Taiwan? Fine.
Wanna support Ukraine? Fine.Now, how much for each - and don't conflate them.
This is a symptom of a much larger disease in Congress where you can't get "A" without supporting "B." It's beyond compromise - it's extortion.
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I understand what you are saying, but for this bill, I am guessing that if you are/against aid for X country (of the three listed), you are probably for aid for the others.
There are I am sure many foregn aid bills. Do they vote separately on aid to Botswana or is it part of a general aid bill? Even with in aid bills, there are hundreds of separate categories where the aid is going. I am in favor of aid to fight malaria in Botswana, but not cholera. Separate them. (Just joking, but here the Republics ask for something - they get it, but then that is not good enough and there is another excuse.)
Anyways, let let the congressmen vote on it. Not allowing to be voted on is maybe worse than Speaker Johnson wanting to separate them.
At this point, even if the bill was separated into three bills, I am sure that there would be some sort of excuse not to vote on them either.
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I think this is the definition of "irony"
The Biden administration’s proposed plan to use executive authority to limit asylum seekers at the southern border has already drawn heavy criticism from congressional Republicans, many of whom spent months pushing Biden to use his presidential powers to reinstate similar Trump-era policies.
The Biden administration has not officially announced the new measures, but House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) has already denounced the proposed order,
(He must be phycsic, as he knows its bad even before he has seen it. 555)
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You think there are secrets in Washington?
Silly girl...
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@Jolly I dont but then there are cases when a bill comes for a vote, and one side or the other complains that they haven't seen it, etc. etc.
I guess politics as usual. 555
