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Biden’s done more on immigration than Trump.

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Who you gonna believe, the Washington Post or your own lying eyes?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/01/27/biden-immigration-policy-trump/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

    President Biden’s surprise declaration Friday that he would “shut down” the southern border when illegal crossings surge to overwhelming levels illustrates how his many other efforts to address immigration have fallen short of their goals.
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    Biden signed more executive orders related to immigration than any other topic on his first day in office. He’s taken more than 500 executive actions since then, already surpassing former president Donald Trump’s four-year total, according to a recent tally by the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute (MPI).

    But one of Biden’s most active areas of policymaking has become one of his biggest vulnerabilities to reelection. The president’s management of the southern border and immigration is his worst-rated issue in polls, and record numbers of illegal crossings have galvanized Republicans, undermined the president’s push for Ukraine aid and played to the perceived strengths of Trump, the GOP front-runner.

    Several of the Biden administration’s signature initiatives intended to make the immigration system fairer and more orderly have stalled out or remained too limited to significantly curb illegal entries and reduce chaos at the border, according to analysts, and current and former administration officials.

    “This is the area where the gap between the president and Trump is the widest, and where the country seems to have least confidence in the president,” said Muzaffar Chishti, an MPI senior fellow and one of the report’s authors.

    Last month 249,785 illegal crossings were recorded along the U.S.-Mexico border, the highest monthly total ever, and Biden officials acknowledge the majority of the migrants were released into the United States with pending claims for protection. The latest influx has worsened strains on New York, Chicago, Denver and other cities whose Democratic mayors are pleading for more federal aid to shelter and assist the newcomers, including the thousands of migrants sent by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott.

    "He's signed executive orders."

    Nice.

    "Last month 249,785 illegal crossings"

    Aren't you off by 50K?

    "thousands of migrants sent by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott."

    Which still amount to 10% of what came in LAST MONTH.

    Measures under discussion include an expansion of the government’s deportation powers and an ability to expel border-crossers — denying them access to the asylum system — when daily crossings surpass 5,000. Republicans have also pushed for new limits on the president’s ability to use executive parole authority to waive in migrants without visas.

    Math is hard. 5K per day, is 1.85 million per year.

    Nope.

    Biden said the changes would give him an emergency authority to “shut down the border when it becomes overwhelmed” and said he would “use it the day I sign the bill into law.”

    You have that authority right now.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #2

      How much water can they carry? The burden must be enormous.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
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        500 Executive Actions… Most were to rescind the Trump Executive Orders, then reinstate those same measures a year or two later…

        The Brad

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          LuFins Dad
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          https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/20/joe-biden-trump-immigration/

          https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/05/biden-expands-trump-era-border-restrictions-once-again

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            #5

            But technically he’s done more, it just hasn’t been successful.

            The Brad

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              But technically he’s done more, it just hasn’t been successful.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
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              @LuFins-Dad said in Biden’s done more on immigration than Trump.:

              But technically he’s done more, it just hasn’t been successful.

              Noticed that, you did.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Offline
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                Work smart, not hard.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  Politics. He will close the border. Border crossing will decrease. Newspaper headlines will headline this fact. He has 10 month to pull it off. Given the short attention span of most people, a good chance of it working.

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    Politics. He will close the border. Border crossing will decrease. Newspaper headlines will headline this fact. He has 10 month to pull it off. Given the short attention span of most people, a good chance of it working.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #9

                    @taiwan_girl said in Biden’s done more on immigration than Trump.:

                    Politics. He will close the border. Border crossing will decrease. Newspaper headlines will headline this fact. He has 10 month to pull it off. Given the short attention span of most people, a good chance of it working.

                    As I posted in another thread.

                    If he fixes it, it shows he was incompetent for 3 years.
                    If he doesn't fix it, it shows he was in competent for 4 years.

                    GOP should run on that.

                    ETA: Third option - he planned it, and doesn't care.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      Abortion! MAGA!

                      MAGA! Abortion!

                      Border? What border?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • George KG George K

                        @taiwan_girl said in Biden’s done more on immigration than Trump.:

                        Politics. He will close the border. Border crossing will decrease. Newspaper headlines will headline this fact. He has 10 month to pull it off. Given the short attention span of most people, a good chance of it working.

                        As I posted in another thread.

                        If he fixes it, it shows he was incompetent for 3 years.
                        If he doesn't fix it, it shows he was in competent for 4 years.

                        GOP should run on that.

                        ETA: Third option - he planned it, and doesn't care.

                        taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        taiwan_girl
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                        @George-K said in Biden’s done more on immigration than Trump.:

                        GOP should run on that.

                        I agree that they should and they probably will.

                        Not everybody, but a lot of voters are very "in the present".

                        "What is happening to the country NOW when the election is held." and I think that will work in the Democrats favor.

                        If Biden closes the border, by the time November comes around, the story the Democrats will say is "last month, only X number of people illegally crossed, there has been a year of 2-3% inflation, Republics are still trying to outlaw abortion, MAGA, etc."

                        For me, looking from 10,000 feet, it is the Democrats election to lose.

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