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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #13

    Guess the average college IQ...

    https://www.joannejacobs.com/post/college-students-aren-t-all-that-smart-iq-average-falls-to-102

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #14

      That would be a statistical certainty when everybody goes to college.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
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        #15

        The best book on this subject is Against Higher Education by Bryan Caplan, a libertarian economist.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Guess the average college IQ...

          https://www.joannejacobs.com/post/college-students-aren-t-all-that-smart-iq-average-falls-to-102

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          George K
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          #16

          @Jolly said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

          Guess the average college IQ...

          https://www.joannejacobs.com/post/college-students-aren-t-all-that-smart-iq-average-falls-to-102

          Now do the demographics.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @Jolly said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

            Guess the average college IQ...

            https://www.joannejacobs.com/post/college-students-aren-t-all-that-smart-iq-average-falls-to-102

            Now do the demographics.

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #17

            @George-K said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

            @Jolly said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

            Guess the average college IQ...

            https://www.joannejacobs.com/post/college-students-aren-t-all-that-smart-iq-average-falls-to-102

            Now do the demographics.

            Ain't going there, O Bell Curvian...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @George-K said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

              @Jolly said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

              Guess the average college IQ...

              https://www.joannejacobs.com/post/college-students-aren-t-all-that-smart-iq-average-falls-to-102

              Now do the demographics.

              Ain't going there, O Bell Curvian...

              George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #18

              @Jolly said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

              Ain't going there, O Bell Curvian...

              IOW, you're not going to touch that tar-baby....

              alt text

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
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                #19

                In 2017, Education Testing Service "experts" estimated that physics (133), math (130), philosophy (129) and materials science (129) majors have the highest IQs. (I assume they're extrapolating from SAT scores.) I was an English major (120). Education majors average 110.

                Not sure why she felt the need to put the "experts" in inverted comma's. Maybe she's upset because she's an English Major (120). Speaking as a joint-honours graduate in maths and physics, I wholeheartedly support these findings. My only question is whether my IQ is likely to be the mean or the sum of 133 and 130.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  In 2017, Education Testing Service "experts" estimated that physics (133), math (130), philosophy (129) and materials science (129) majors have the highest IQs. (I assume they're extrapolating from SAT scores.) I was an English major (120). Education majors average 110.

                  Not sure why she felt the need to put the "experts" in inverted comma's. Maybe she's upset because she's an English Major (120). Speaking as a joint-honours graduate in maths and physics, I wholeheartedly support these findings. My only question is whether my IQ is likely to be the mean or the sum of 133 and 130.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                  in inverted comma's

                  Not an English major, I see...LOL.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
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                    #21

                    The IQ range is whatever-studies...education...English...Philosophy...Math...Physics............................................................................................public intellectuals

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                      in inverted comma's

                      Not an English major, I see...LOL.

                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #22

                      @George-K said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                      Not an English major, I see...LOL.

                      My mind is on higher things, obviously.

                      I was only joking

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Jolly said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                        Guess the average college IQ...

                        https://www.joannejacobs.com/post/college-students-aren-t-all-that-smart-iq-average-falls-to-102

                        Now do the demographics.

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                        #23

                        @George-K said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                        Now do the demographics.

                        People of IQ have had enough privilege.

                        It's time for equity.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          The IQ range is whatever-studies...education...English...Philosophy...Math...Physics............................................................................................public intellectuals

                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #24

                          @Horace said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                          public intellectuals

                          Do you mean like YouTubers?

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            @Horace said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                            public intellectuals

                            Do you mean like YouTubers?

                            HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
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                            #25

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                            @Horace said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                            public intellectuals

                            Do you mean like YouTubers?

                            Those who are affecting change, improving the human condition by sharing their thoughts with the public, often in the face of ridicule. Our public intellectuals are selfless martyrs, similar to most religious figures. Don't try it at home - the path is grueling, and often thankless.

                            But sometimes, ideas simply need to be free.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                              @Horace said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                              public intellectuals

                              Do you mean like YouTubers?

                              Those who are affecting change, improving the human condition by sharing their thoughts with the public, often in the face of ridicule. Our public intellectuals are selfless martyrs, similar to most religious figures. Don't try it at home - the path is grueling, and often thankless.

                              But sometimes, ideas simply need to be free.

                              Doctor PhibesD Offline
                              Doctor PhibesD Offline
                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #26

                              @Horace said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                              @Horace said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                              public intellectuals

                              Do you mean like YouTubers?

                              Those who are affecting change, improving the human condition by sharing their thoughts with the public, often in the face of ridicule. Our public intellectuals are selfless martyrs, similar to most religious figures. Don't try it at home - the path is grueling, and often thankless.

                              But sometimes, ideas simply need to be free.

                              Oh, you mean wankers. You should have said.

                              I was only joking

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                                Axtremus
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                                #27

                                https://steemit.com/education/@chhaylin/are-too-many-people-going-to-college-a-look-at-iq-distributions-tells-us-why-this-is-the-case

                                https://thetab.com/us/2017/04/10/which-major-has-highest-iq-64811

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #28

                                  Neat. Never knew polysci majors were smarter than healthcare providers (whatever the heck that means).

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                                    Axtremus
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                                    #29

                                    Do you need a college degree?

                                    Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

                                    Three generations ago, merely completing primary/elementary school (~6 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

                                    Two generations ago, merely completing high school (~12 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

                                    One generation ago, getting a Bachelor's degree (~16 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

                                    Now, looking at the current working-age population, having a Bachelor's degree is more a norm than an exception.

                                    Whether it's "college degree" or "vocational training" or "apprenticeship," the trend is that we need more and more systematic education/training to be competitive. "College" these days is merely a glorified extension of "high school." We are not going back to a world where "less education/training" will be enough to make one competitive on the labor market.

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                                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                      Do you need a college degree?

                                      Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

                                      Three generations ago, merely completing primary/elementary school (~6 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

                                      Two generations ago, merely completing high school (~12 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

                                      One generation ago, getting a Bachelor's degree (~16 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

                                      Now, looking at the current working-age population, having a Bachelor's degree is more a norm than an exception.

                                      Whether it's "college degree" or "vocational training" or "apprenticeship," the trend is that we need more and more systematic education/training to be competitive. "College" these days is merely a glorified extension of "high school." We are not going back to a world where "less education/training" will be enough to make one competitive on the labor market.

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                                      George K
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                                      #30

                                      @Axtremus said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                                      Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

                                      Here's something from 5 generations ago.

                                      image.jpeg

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Jolly
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                                        Just a side thought...Are we becoming increasingly successful at breeding stupid people?

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Axtremus said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                                          Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

                                          Here's something from 5 generations ago.

                                          image.jpeg

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                                          Copper
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                                          #32

                                          @George-K said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                                          Here's something from 5 generations ago.

                                          That is beautiful.

                                          I think the average high school college graduate would have trouble scoring 10% or better.

                                          And I think a lot of answers have changed since that test was written, especially history.

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