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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #1

    https://committeetounleashprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Them-vs-Us_CTUP-Rasmussen-Study-FINAL.pdf

    1. It's a Rasmussen poll, so take it for what it's worth.
    2. The defininition of "Elite"

    the American Elite – defined as people having at least one post-graduate degree, earning at least $150,000 annually, and living in high-population density areas (more than 10,000 people per square mile in their zip code) Approximately 1% of thetotal U.S. population meets these criteria.

    1. The Schools

    a sub-sample of elites, adults who attended Ivy League schools or other elite private
    schools, including Northwestern, Duke, Stanford, and the University of Chicago. Roughly half of those we
    classify as “elites” attended one of these schools. For the purpose of this study, we label those who attended one
    of these schools as “Ivy League Graduates.”

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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      I made a side remark about this one the other day.

      If true, it's shocking.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
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        #3

        Whaddya wanna bet that all this elimination of this and that has 'exceptions' for them.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        • CopperC Offline
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          Copper
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          #4

          Less freedom is better?

          No way anyone agreed with that.

          This survey is nuts.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            Doctor Phibes
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            #5

            The definition of elite seems more than a little arbitrary, and actually quite weird.

            It's almost as if they were pre-selecting with a particular result in mind. Obviously that could never happen.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              The definition of elite seems more than a little arbitrary, and actually quite weird.

              It's almost as if they were pre-selecting with a particular result in mind. Obviously that could never happen.

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #6

              @Doctor-Phibes

              I agree it is weird. So much so that categories should be broken down as Elites, Ivy Leaguers and Churls (in the archaic sense of the word).

              Elbows up!

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #7

                John Kerry is a member of the elite, IMHO. Some history professor who lives in New York City dragging in 160K is not. There's a bunch of blokes where I work who would probably qualify under their definition.

                They just should say they don't like highly educated city-based liberals and leave it at that.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  John Kerry is a member of the elite, IMHO. Some history professor who lives in New York City dragging in 160K is not. There's a bunch of blokes where I work who would probably qualify under their definition.

                  They just should say they don't like highly educated city-based liberals and leave it at that.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The Elites' Perceptions:

                  Some history professor who lives in New York City dragging in 160K is not.

                  Agreed. As I implied in the original post, the definition of "elite" is questionable.

                  Nevertheless, I find it interesting that their cutoff of $150K - which would really be upper-middle-class, resulted in these answers.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Elites' Perceptions:

                    Some history professor who lives in New York City dragging in 160K is not.

                    Agreed. As I implied in the original post, the definition of "elite" is questionable.

                    Nevertheless, I find it interesting that their cutoff of $150K - which would really be upper-middle-class, resulted in these answers.

                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                    #9

                    @George-K said in The Elites' Perceptions:

                    Agreed. As I implied in the original post, the definition of "elite" is questionable.

                    Nevertheless, I find it interesting that their cutoff of $150K - which would really be upper-middle-class, resulted in these answers.

                    The other thing that's questionable is all of their conclusions, which rather revealingly come at the beginning of the article, as opposed to the end.

                    As you say, it's Rasmussen. They're based in New Jersey, so their idea of an intellectual snob is somebody who doesn't use spray-tan.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      John Kerry is a member of the elite, IMHO. Some history professor who lives in New York City dragging in 160K is not. There's a bunch of blokes where I work who would probably qualify under their definition.

                      They just should say they don't like highly educated city-based liberals and leave it at that.

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #10

                      @Doctor-Phibes

                      John Kerry is a member of the elite, IMHO.

                      I understand that like his political opponent, Dubya Bush, Kerry is a Skull and Bones man from his days at Yale.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • AxtremusA Offline
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                        Axtremus
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                        #11

                        By the poll’s definition, a multibillionaire living in Omaha, Nebraska or Jackson Hole, Wyoming would not qualify as an “elite.” The late Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg, as college dropouts, would also not qualify. Neither would Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk for not having a post-graduate degree.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          Close enough.

                          They're talking about 1% of the U.S. population. There will be outliers.

                          The question then becomes whether the few outliers contradict the poll's numbers so much as to render the data useless.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Axtremus
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                            #13

                            Retired doctors, lawyers, CPAs, etc. would also not qualify as “elite” if they no longer pull >= $150k a year post-retirement, or if they retire to a non-urban ZIP code.

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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              Horace
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                              In “statistics” there is a concept known as a “representative sample”, which is understood to be a subset which indicates something about a larger set.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                #15

                                Where is the justification for their definition of what constitutes an 'elite'?

                                Call me Mr. Cynical if you will, but I think there's a very good chance that they've decided on a narrative, and then picked a sample that fits the narrative.

                                I was only joking

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  Think you've already said that.

                                  I'm not sure it invalidates the data.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Think you've already said that.

                                    I'm not sure it invalidates the data.

                                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                    #17

                                    @Jolly said in The Elites' Perceptions:

                                    Think you've already said that.

                                    I'm not sure it invalidates the data.

                                    “He uses statistics as a drunken man uses a lamp post. For support rather than illumination”

                                    I was only joking

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