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  • K Klaus
    26 Dec 2020, 13:58

    I may buy a new iMac when it is released with a new ARM chip (not the current one; I want more than 16GB of RAM).

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    George K
    wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 14:13 last edited by
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    @klaus said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

    I may buy a new iMac when it is released with a new ARM chip (not the current one; I want more than 16GB of RAM).

    I've seen videos of performance with only 8 gigs of RAM on a MacBook Air. For the stuff that I do, 8 is probably adequate, and 16 is overkill, considering the videos I've watched. But...

    Link to video

    The other thing is that rumors say that the new iteration of iMac will be a 24" model. I really, really don't want a smaller screen than I have now. That's a big deal for me with my aging eyes.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • C Copper
      26 Dec 2020, 14:09

      Why a Dock with the mini?

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      George K
      wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 14:15 last edited by
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      @copper said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

      Why a Dock with the mini?

      Hooking up external devices: I have a 4 bay enclosure which stores my Time Machine data, media (books, music), and another backup drive.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • G George K
        26 Dec 2020, 13:42

        Looking at prices for various options here.

        I'm looking at 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

        If I go with the Mini or the Air, I'll have to spring for a monitor and a webcam (I'd keep my keyboard and mouse):

        The price for the iMac is for this year's Intel version with an i5 processor, I assume that when Apple releases a new iMac this year, as is rumored, it'll be priced pretty similarly. Looks like the MacBook Air gives the same features as the iMac for a better price, even after all the add-ons.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 14:46 last edited by
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        @george-k said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

        I'm looking at 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

        That's what I have.

        I just bought a webcam this week, delivered xmas eve. It's sitting in the box still by my desk.

        Up to now I've been using my iPad for zoom calls.

        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        • J jon-nyc
          26 Dec 2020, 14:46

          @george-k said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

          I'm looking at 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

          That's what I have.

          I just bought a webcam this week, delivered xmas eve. It's sitting in the box still by my desk.

          Up to now I've been using my iPad for zoom calls.

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          George K
          wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 15:00 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc how big is that monitor you have?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            26 Dec 2020, 14:13

            @klaus said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

            I may buy a new iMac when it is released with a new ARM chip (not the current one; I want more than 16GB of RAM).

            I've seen videos of performance with only 8 gigs of RAM on a MacBook Air. For the stuff that I do, 8 is probably adequate, and 16 is overkill, considering the videos I've watched. But...

            Link to video

            The other thing is that rumors say that the new iteration of iMac will be a 24" model. I really, really don't want a smaller screen than I have now. That's a big deal for me with my aging eyes.

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            Klaus
            wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 15:13 last edited by
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            @george-k said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

            The other thing is that rumors say that the new iteration of iMac will be a 24" model. I really, really don't want a smaller screen than I have now.

            True, I also want a 27". If they don't sell a 27" iMac anymore, I'll maybe go for a Mac Mini with external display.

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            • K Klaus
              26 Dec 2020, 15:13

              @george-k said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

              The other thing is that rumors say that the new iteration of iMac will be a 24" model. I really, really don't want a smaller screen than I have now.

              True, I also want a 27". If they don't sell a 27" iMac anymore, I'll maybe go for a Mac Mini with external display.

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              George K
              wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 15:15 last edited by George K
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              @klaus I have to wonder what the thinking is behind the rumored 24" version. Monitors are getting bigger and bigger.

              Why would they do that?

              ETA: I assume that all I would have to do is hook it up with an HDMI cable, right?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Copper
                wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 15:29 last edited by
                #34

                https://ulxstore.com/collections/leather-desk-mats/products/black-leather-desk-mat?variant=49844519507

                You forgot the vegan leather desk mat.

                vegan leather

                That is a new one on me

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                • G George K
                  26 Dec 2020, 15:00

                  @jon-nyc how big is that monitor you have?

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 15:45 last edited by
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                  @george-k said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

                  @jon-nyc how big is that monitor you have?

                  24".

                  https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HMUA2VC/A/lg-ultrafine-4k-display

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 15:48 last edited by
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                    Funny I decry the creeping screen sizes. I remember being disappointed when they phased out the 21" iMac and I had to buy a 24. Equally when they kept making phones bigger.

                    Yeah its easier to read. But I have to carry my phone.

                    I guess I could live with a 27" monitor. Just seems so extreme. I'm right here, sitting in front of it.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      26 Dec 2020, 15:48

                      Funny I decry the creeping screen sizes. I remember being disappointed when they phased out the 21" iMac and I had to buy a 24. Equally when they kept making phones bigger.

                      Yeah its easier to read. But I have to carry my phone.

                      I guess I could live with a 27" monitor. Just seems so extreme. I'm right here, sitting in front of it.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 15:53 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc that monitor is pricey! The 27" runs even more, LOL.

                      Perhaps I'll have to reconsider my analysis of "break-even."

                      @mark what kind of monitor are you using? My needs are pretty simple, and my eyes are pretty shitty.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 15:56 last edited by
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                        I just bought a ViewSonic for the boy, I believe on Mark's or Xenon's suggestion.

                        I got the 21" for him but their 27" is under $200 I believe.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 26 Dec 2020, 19:15 last edited by
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                          It takes only 3~4 years for Apple to drop support for PowerPC from the time it launched its first Intel Mac. If you plan on keep using your Macs for more than, say, 5 years and plan to keep updating its OS, you pretty much need to go with the Apple silicon now for any new Mac you get. Good luck.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 02:06 last edited by George K
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                            It looks like there's a significant difference between the 7-core GPU and the 8-core GPU in the MacBook Air.

                            About $250 difference.

                            For someone like me, whose needs are pretty basic, is it worth the premium in price?

                            Screen Shot 2020-12-26 at 8.06.00 PM.png

                            Note: The price difference doesn't account for the SSD storage difference.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 02:09 last edited by
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                              Eh, never mind.

                              The difference is only $50 when you add the same SSD/

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • G George K
                                26 Dec 2020, 15:53

                                @jon-nyc that monitor is pricey! The 27" runs even more, LOL.

                                Perhaps I'll have to reconsider my analysis of "break-even."

                                @mark what kind of monitor are you using? My needs are pretty simple, and my eyes are pretty shitty.

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                                mark
                                wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 03:58 last edited by
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                                @george-k said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

                                @jon-nyc that monitor is pricey! The 27" runs even more, LOL.

                                Perhaps I'll have to reconsider my analysis of "break-even."

                                @mark what kind of monitor are you using? My needs are pretty simple, and my eyes are pretty shitty.

                                LG 38WK95C-W 38" (Actual size 37.5") WQHD+ 3840 x 1600 HDMI, DisplayPort, USB FreeSync (AMD Adaptive Sync) Built-in Speakers Curved 21:9 UltraWide WQHD+ IPS Curved LED Monitor

                                https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824025890?Item=9SIAC4ZA692767

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                                • M mark
                                  27 Dec 2020, 03:58

                                  @george-k said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

                                  @jon-nyc that monitor is pricey! The 27" runs even more, LOL.

                                  Perhaps I'll have to reconsider my analysis of "break-even."

                                  @mark what kind of monitor are you using? My needs are pretty simple, and my eyes are pretty shitty.

                                  LG 38WK95C-W 38" (Actual size 37.5") WQHD+ 3840 x 1600 HDMI, DisplayPort, USB FreeSync (AMD Adaptive Sync) Built-in Speakers Curved 21:9 UltraWide WQHD+ IPS Curved LED Monitor

                                  https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824025890?Item=9SIAC4ZA692767

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 04:05 last edited by
                                  #43

                                  @mark

                                  I've been in movie theaters with smaller screens. lol

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 08:38 last edited by
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                                    Apple M1 MacBook Pro vs. Dell XPS with 11th gen. Intel core i7:

                                    Link to video

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                                    • A Axtremus
                                      27 Dec 2020, 08:38

                                      Apple M1 MacBook Pro vs. Dell XPS with 11th gen. Intel core i7:

                                      Link to video

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 12:22 last edited by George K
                                      #45

                                      @axtremus thanks for linking that.

                                      He has another video comparing the MacBook Air with the MacBook Pro (both M1). Very little difference other than screen brightness and better battery life in the Pro.

                                      Link to video

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • G George K
                                        27 Dec 2020, 12:22

                                        @axtremus thanks for linking that.

                                        He has another video comparing the MacBook Air with the MacBook Pro (both M1). Very little difference other than screen brightness and better battery life in the Pro.

                                        Link to video

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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 03:20 last edited by
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                                        @george-k said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

                                        He has another video comparing the MacBook Air with the MacBook Pro (both M1). Very little difference other than screen brightness and better battery life in the Pro.

                                        Yeah, when comparing the Air and the Pro, the 'touch bar' and the added weight of the 'Pro' were deal breakers, so I went with the Air. And yes, after equalizing the options to the bigger SSD and 16GB RAM, I paid the $50 extra for the 8th GPU core.

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                                        • A Axtremus
                                          28 Dec 2020, 03:20

                                          @george-k said in Thinking about a new Mac...:

                                          He has another video comparing the MacBook Air with the MacBook Pro (both M1). Very little difference other than screen brightness and better battery life in the Pro.

                                          Yeah, when comparing the Air and the Pro, the 'touch bar' and the added weight of the 'Pro' were deal breakers, so I went with the Air. And yes, after equalizing the options to the bigger SSD and 16GB RAM, I paid the $50 extra for the 8th GPU core.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 13:08 last edited by George K
                                          #47

                                          @axtremus do you have yours hooked up in a fashion similar to what @jon-nyc did?

                                          External monitor, stand, etc.

                                          Or do you just use it as a notebook?

                                          Looking at the prices of monitors, a 27" monitor with the same specifications as the iMac is quite pricey.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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