What Frank believed...

[Jolly]

I'd say Frank was right...

https://people.com/movies/why-frank-sinatra-believed-marilyn-monroe-was-murdered-book/

[George K]

"Marilyn told Frank she didn't understand why they'd shut her out completely once she stopped having sex with them."

Naive girl.

[Jolly]

I had a friend who knew Bobby and Jack pretty well. He thought JFK was ok. He thought Bobby was an absolute rat. Excuse me, that's not the term he used. "Wormy bastard" was how he usually referred to Bobby.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

Jimmy Hoffa thought so much as well about Bobby. I wonder if he know Marylin too? Questions, questions, questions…

BTW Jolly, just where is Jimmy?

Anyhow never let a good conspiracy theory go, eh?

[Jolly]

Concerning Marilyn's death...

1. Many thought Bobby was one of the last people to see her alive, or at least talk to her on the phone. Bobby was the family's fixer and many think he was sent to reason with Marilyn, while conducting other business on the West Coast.
2. Marilyn was definitely a loose cannon. Alcohol, pills, IV drugs...certainly a functioning addict. With a loose mouth.
3. No pill residue in her stomach. No glass or container to hold liquid in her bedroom. Autopsy did not note fresh needle tracks. Plenty of pills in her room, including an empty Nembutol bottle.
4. Autopsy did note some bruising on her back.
5. Marilyn had a habit of taking Nembutol plus chloral hydrate, cracking open the Nembutol capsule along with the chloral hydrate pill and washing it down with champagne.
6. Cause if death was a lethal concentration of the two drugs in her blood and a high concentration in her liver.

Because she was probably under the influence, how much trouble would it have been for a couple of guys to hold her down on the bed and shove a Nembutol suppository up her anus? Coma, respiratory cessation and death would be within minutes.

Conspiracy theory? Of course. But definitely possible.

[George K]

Nembutal...pentobarbital.

When I started training, we used to use it as a premedication. Nice barbiturate. Fast enough onset and a real "IDGAF" attitude. When I had my appendix removed, they used it as a pre-med. It was great.

Chloral hydrate was used for preventing DTs in EtOH withdrawal. With the arrival of better benzos (Librium and then Valium) it became less favored.

Shame that toxicology levels were not available back then.

Yeah, Norma Jean was a hot mess. See the "girlfriend vs crazy" graph.

Your scenario is totally possible.

Probable? I dunno...

[Doctor Phibes]

I love the way that the guy hawking his book says it was either the Kennedy's or the mafia. He's not sure which. "Conspiracy theories abound and I can't lay them to rest" LOL.

Sinatra was intimate with both the mob and the Kennedy's, of course, but generally gets a pass because he could sing real nice.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in What Frank believed...:

I love the way that the guy hawking his book says it was either the Kennedy's or the mafia. He's not sure which. "Conspiracy theories abound and I can't lay them to rest" LOL.

Sinatra was intimate with both the mob and the Kennedy's, of course, but generally gets a pass because he could sing real nice.

My grandmother was pretty close with his sister.

She said he was an asshole.

[Renauda]

So tell me. Just where does Jimmy Hoffa fit in to all this Kennedy and mob crap about the dead blonde?