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  • MikM Offline
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    A return to fiscal responsibility. It's about time, but not sure what can be done at this point. November 2024 could upend the whole effort, or could buttress it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mike-johnson-reveals-house-gop-agenda-in-first-press-conference-as-speaker-what-you-missed/ar-AA1jhI8o?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=77903a5fc0524ad9b56cacea7a701028&ei=24

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Chuckie can piss and moan all he wants. The Senate may be a more deliberative body, but they are not a superior branch of government. I like tying Israel funding to a cut at the IRS, especially since it became evident that most of the new tax personnel would be targeted at the middle class.

      I also like the idea of tying Ukraine funding to border security. While Chuck may not like that approach either, I think the heat is starting to build on the border issue. I think you'd see some Dems in the Senate vote for that type of bill.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • MikM Offline
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        I'd love to see the GOP actually stand for traditional GOP values. This may be a return to sanity.

        Funny what can happen if one actually leads.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        • George KG Offline
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          I disagree. I don't like the idea of tying any kind of appropriation to any other appropriation.

          Make it a clean funding bill without the weight of having to vote against something you like because of an add-on.

          One item per bill.

          Wanna fund Israel's defense? Have at it.
          Wanna fund border? Have at it.
          Wanna fund IRS? Have at it.

          Can't fund all three? Well, decide which gets cut and by how much.

          Want a Mercedes S-Class? Buy it.
          Want a penthouse in NYC? Buy it.
          Want food on the table? Buy it.

          Can't afford all three, adjust accordingly.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            I disagree. I don't like the idea of tying any kind of appropriation to any other appropriation.

            Make it a clean funding bill without the weight of having to vote against something you like because of an add-on.

            One item per bill.

            Wanna fund Israel's defense? Have at it.
            Wanna fund border? Have at it.
            Wanna fund IRS? Have at it.

            Can't fund all three? Well, decide which gets cut and by how much.

            Want a Mercedes S-Class? Buy it.
            Want a penthouse in NYC? Buy it.
            Want food on the table? Buy it.

            Can't afford all three, adjust accordingly.

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            @George-K said in The GOP agenda per Speaker Johnson:

            I disagree. I don't like the idea of tying any kind of appropriation to any other appropriation.

            Make it a clean funding bill without the weight of having to vote against something you like because of an add-on.

            This.

            This idea of combining unrelated expenses into spending bills is fundamentally dishonest and rewards special interests and corruption, which are the actual problems more than over-spending. Over-spending is a symptom.

            I was only joking

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            • MikM Offline
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              Yeah, that would be my preference too, but I don't see that leverage tool going away any time soon.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                While clean bills would be preferrable, I don't see the tactic going away. The add-ons I really despise are the multitudinous earmarks, which have no bearing on a bill, except for pet pork.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  While clean bills would be preferrable, I don't see the tactic going away. The add-ons I really despise are the multitudinous earmarks, which have no bearing on a bill, except for pet pork.

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                  @Jolly said in The GOP agenda per Speaker Johnson:

                  While clean bills would be preferrable, I don't see the tactic going away. The add-ons I really despise are the multitudinous earmarks, which have no bearing on a bill, except for pet pork.

                  The question becomes where does one draw the line at "pork?"

                  Stop it all, and your appellation of "tactic" is spot-on.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    12 Democrats voted for the Israel/IRS bill.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/12-house-democrats-break-with-biden-and-vote-for-gop-led-israel-aid-package-that-cuts-irs-funding/ar-AA1jiEWs?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=06fe991e98244db39d74a9ba252d4747&ei=34

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    • George KG George K

                      I disagree. I don't like the idea of tying any kind of appropriation to any other appropriation.

                      Make it a clean funding bill without the weight of having to vote against something you like because of an add-on.

                      One item per bill.

                      Wanna fund Israel's defense? Have at it.
                      Wanna fund border? Have at it.
                      Wanna fund IRS? Have at it.

                      Can't fund all three? Well, decide which gets cut and by how much.

                      Want a Mercedes S-Class? Buy it.
                      Want a penthouse in NYC? Buy it.
                      Want food on the table? Buy it.

                      Can't afford all three, adjust accordingly.

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      @George-K said in The GOP agenda per Speaker Johnson:

                      I disagree. I don't like the idea of tying any kind of appropriation to any other appropriation.

                      Make it a clean funding bill without the weight of having to vote against something you like because of an add-on.

                      One item per bill.

                      Wanna fund Israel's defense? Have at it.
                      Wanna fund border? Have at it.
                      Wanna fund IRS? Have at it.

                      Can't fund all three? Well, decide which gets cut and by how much.

                      Want a Mercedes S-Class? Buy it.
                      Want a penthouse in NYC? Buy it.
                      Want food on the table? Buy it.

                      Can't afford all three, adjust accordingly.

                      I agree except for deficit spending. When you are already this far in deficit, any additional spending should be tied directly to a spending cut or a tax increase.

                      I am more than fine with the money for Israel being cut from something else. I don’t like seeing the Ukrainian and border spending tied together, though.

                      The Brad

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                      • MikM Mik

                        I'd love to see the GOP actually stand for traditional GOP values. This may be a return to sanity.

                        Funny what can happen if one actually leads.

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        #11

                        @Mik said in The GOP agenda per Speaker Johnson:

                        I'd love to see the GOP actually stand for traditional GOP values. This may be a return to sanity.

                        Funny what can happen if one actually leads.

                        Now, what you are going to see, that you may not like, is that Johnson is an evangelical. Very pro-life. Very much against the current gender insanity. Very much in favor of traditional marriage and children's issues. He hails from North Louisiana, part of the buckle of the Bible Belt. His wife is a frequent church speaker at services or events. So, you're going to see that mind-set, coupled with his natural proclivity to consensus build behind closed doors.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          I have no issue with that. He has the duty to represent the wishes of his constituents.

                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            More just a curious question. Now that he is speaker, are the constituents just his district? All Republics? The whole nation? He definitely has a much larger influence than the normal congressman.

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
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                              This is encouraging.

                              “Ukraine will come in short order and it will come next,” Johnson said. “We want to pair border security with Ukraine because I think we can get bipartisan agreement on both of those matters.”

                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                This is encouraging.

                                “Ukraine will come in short order and it will come next,” Johnson said. “We want to pair border security with Ukraine because I think we can get bipartisan agreement on both of those matters.”

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                                @jon-nyc quoting a news article in The GOP agenda per Speaker Johnson:

                                “Ukraine will come in short order and it will come next,” Johnson said. “We want to pair border security with Ukraine because I think we can get bipartisan agreement on both of those matters.”

                                Like what?

                                If you want to fund Israel Ukraine, cut an equivalent amount from the IRS border security?

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                                  Who knows but there’s room for negotiation there. I was afraid they wouldn’t bring it up at all.

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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