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  • HoraceH Horace

    I actually understand that poem. Hey @Aqua-Letifer, do you suppose Shakespeare would have been remembered for his poetry, if not for his plays?

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    Aqua Letifer
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    @Horace said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

    I actually understand that poem. Hey @Aqua-Letifer, do you suppose Shakespeare would have been remembered for his poetry, if not for his plays?

    I really don't know. I'm going to guess not, though, because his plays had a much stronger and more widespread impact.

    Please love yourself.

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      By the way, "Haply," supposedly doesn't mean "happily." It means "by chance," or by a stroke of luck.

      That makes the sonnet all that much better.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        Listen to her re-tell Sonnet #29.

        Link to video

        How she intones, and pauses...

        "Then, haply, I think on thee..."

        And how her tone changes in the final lines.

        Wonderful.


        When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,
        I all alone beweep my outcast state,

        And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
        And look upon myself and curse my fate,

        Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
        Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,

        Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,
        With what I most enjoy contented least;

        Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
        Haply I think on thee, and then my state,

        (Like to the lark at break of day arising
        From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;

        For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings
        That then I scorn to change my state with kings.

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        #9

        @George-K said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

        Listen to her re-tell Sonnet #29.

        Link to video

        How she intones, and pauses...

        "Then, haply, I think on thee..."

        And how her tone changes in the final lines.

        Wonderful.


        When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,
        I all alone beweep my outcast state,

        And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
        And look upon myself and curse my fate,

        Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
        Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,

        Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,
        With what I most enjoy contented least;

        Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
        Haply I think on thee, and then my state,

        (Like to the lark at break of day arising
        From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;

        For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings
        That then I scorn to change my state with kings.

        Actors go one of two routes with performing with metre. They either inject hard rests at every line break, or recite more colloquially.

        Densch is quite obviously the former. I think there's a pretty clear caesura in "From sullen earth" but she didn't recite it that way. Which is completely fine, it's just a different way to perform it. Still marvelous.

        Please love yourself.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @George-K said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

          Listen to her re-tell Sonnet #29.

          Link to video

          How she intones, and pauses...

          "Then, haply, I think on thee..."

          And how her tone changes in the final lines.

          Wonderful.


          When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,
          I all alone beweep my outcast state,

          And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
          And look upon myself and curse my fate,

          Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
          Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,

          Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,
          With what I most enjoy contented least;

          Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
          Haply I think on thee, and then my state,

          (Like to the lark at break of day arising
          From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;

          For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings
          That then I scorn to change my state with kings.

          Actors go one of two routes with performing with metre. They either inject hard rests at every line break, or recite more colloquially.

          Densch is quite obviously the former. I think there's a pretty clear caesura in "From sullen earth" but she didn't recite it that way. Which is completely fine, it's just a different way to perform it. Still marvelous.

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          @Aqua-Letifer said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

          Still marvelous.

          Isn't it, though?

          I've been familiar with this sonnet since, well, before I married Mrs. George. However, I don't think I've ever heard it read. Her reading was beautiful, poignant (in the first half), and uplifting in the end.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            #11

            You can visit the house where Shakespeare was born in 1564.
            I visited there 427 years after his birth.

            You wouldn't want to live there, but the age and the history make it somewhat interesting.

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              George K
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              Wow....

              Link to video

              And Ian McKellan.

              "Haply, I think on ...thee."

              Link to video

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • CopperC Copper

                You can visit the house where Shakespeare was born in 1564.
                I visited there 427 years after his birth.

                You wouldn't want to live there, but the age and the history make it somewhat interesting.

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                  Now, if Shakespeare had actually wrote all this stuff...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                    Still marvelous.

                    Isn't it, though?

                    I've been familiar with this sonnet since, well, before I married Mrs. George. However, I don't think I've ever heard it read. Her reading was beautiful, poignant (in the first half), and uplifting in the end.

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                    @George-K said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                    Still marvelous.

                    Isn't it, though?

                    I've been familiar with this sonnet since, well, before I married Mrs. George. However, I don't think I've ever heard it read. Her reading was beautiful, poignant (in the first half), and uplifting in the end.

                    You can't recite Shakespeare as well as that without truly knowing it. Props.

                    Fun story:

                    I can count on one hand the number of times I've recited poetry out loud. But a couple of months ago I just couldn't help myself.

                    There was a Viking reenactment group at the Sheep & Wool festival here. (They took it pretty seriously—some of the women there practiced seiðr.) They mentioned they were looking for a scald.

                    For my Master's, I wrote about 47 pages worth of fornyrðislag alliterative verse because I'm a nerd like that. I had the full-page prologue memorized because I had such a bitch of a time working on it. So without pretense I laid it on him. He about shit his pants and it was pretty much the one and only time I applied my Master's directly to anything out in the world. 😄 He gave me the group's contact info, but I never followed up. It'd be a hell of a lot of fun but I know reenactors. That kind of thing is a lifestyle commitment and there's just not enough time in a day.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Now, if Shakespeare had actually wrote all this stuff...

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                      @Jolly said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                      Now, if Shakespeare had actually wrote all this stuff...

                      Oh, okay... 🙄😄

                      Please love yourself.

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                        The thing is, this sonnet's language is SO approachable. Once one knows what "bootless" and "haply" mean, the rest is easy.

                        But his plays require so much work to understand. Yeah, the stories are unparalleled, but so, for me, unapproachable.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          The thing is, this sonnet's language is SO approachable. Once one knows what "bootless" and "haply" mean, the rest is easy.

                          But his plays require so much work to understand. Yeah, the stories are unparalleled, but so, for me, unapproachable.

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                          @George-K said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                          The thing is, this sonnet's language is SO approachable. Once one knows what "bootless" and "haply" mean, the rest is easy.

                          But his plays require so much work to understand. Yeah, the stories are unparalleled, but so, for me, unapproachable.

                          Read some Felix Dennis.

                          Formal verse, some of it brilliant, but all very decent and completely approachable.

                          Please love yourself.

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                            Decades ago, I told Mrs. George how much I loved that sonnet.

                            She found a copy of it, and wrote it out on a piece of paper. Then, she mounted it on a piece of wood.

                            It's hanging on the wall of the hall to @Sidney's room.

                            IMG_3848.jpeg

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              Decades ago, I told Mrs. George how much I loved that sonnet.

                              She found a copy of it, and wrote it out on a piece of paper. Then, she mounted it on a piece of wood.

                              It's hanging on the wall of the hall to @Sidney's room.

                              IMG_3848.jpeg

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                              @George-K said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                              Decades ago, I told Mrs. George how much I loved that sonnet.

                              She found a copy of it, and wrote it out on a piece of paper. Then, she mounted it on a piece of wood.

                              It's hanging on the wall of the hall to @Sidney's room.

                              IMG_3848.jpeg

                              That is positively badass. An amazing thing she made.

                              I also love the presentation, and her handwriting.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @George-K said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                                Decades ago, I told Mrs. George how much I loved that sonnet.

                                She found a copy of it, and wrote it out on a piece of paper. Then, she mounted it on a piece of wood.

                                It's hanging on the wall of the hall to @Sidney's room.

                                IMG_3848.jpeg

                                That is positively badass. An amazing thing she made.

                                I also love the presentation, and her handwriting.

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                                @Aqua-Letifer said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                                That is positively badass. An amazing thing she made.

                                I also love the presentation, and her handwriting.

                                We met 44 years, 17 days ago.

                                I did good, eh?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                                  That is positively badass. An amazing thing she made.

                                  I also love the presentation, and her handwriting.

                                  We met 44 years, 17 days ago.

                                  I did good, eh?

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                                  @George-K said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                                  That is positively badass. An amazing thing she made.

                                  I also love the presentation, and her handwriting.

                                  We met 44 years, 17 days ago.

                                  That's longer than I've lived in a week!

                                  I did good, eh?

                                  I'd say so!

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    Horace
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                                    That's lovely.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      Very romantic.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Great thread, in so very many ways.

                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          Great thread, in so very many ways.

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                                          @Mik said in "We quote Shakespeare all the time." Judi Densch:

                                          Great thread, in so very many ways.

                                          👍

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