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7 / 8 time

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    I was looking at the 3rd movement of the Prokofiev 7th sonata. Ever since seeing Sokolov play it, years ago, I've loved this piece.

    Link to video

    No, I have no intention of learning it - it's far, far, beyond my abilities.

    However, it's in 7 / 8 time.

    When learning something like this, how does one "count" the meter?

    Is it One - two - three - FOUR - one - two - three .... One - two - three - FOUR - one - two - three

    Or is it One - two - THREE - one - two - three - four .... One - two - THREE - one - two - three - four

    Screenshot 2023-10-24 at 8.25.47 PM.png

    Just curious.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • jodiJ Offline
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      Why wouldn’t you do it: one two three four five six seven, one two three four five six seven? Maybe since it’s so fast it would be easier to do 123, 1234. Don’t know.

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        Or maybe 1 2 1 2 123. That seems to be the easiest to say following along with his playing.

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          Unless there is a reason the music systematically lends itself to a subdivision of the seven beats, I would just do as Jodi says and count to seven every measure. Not that I could play that piece, and not that I can count to seven.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            Unless there is a reason the music systematically lends itself to a subdivision of the seven beats, I would just do as Jodi says and count to seven every measure. Not that I could play that piece, and not that I can count to seven.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            @Horace said in 7 / 8 time:

            Not that I could play that piece,

            I was suspicious of that.

            and not that I can count to seven.

            I was not suspicious of that.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              blondie
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              #6

              This the type of question I’d often ask my piano teacher when I’d come to my lesson unpractised. She’d become so lively & opinionated with it, going on for a good half hour of it, digressing in and out of her experiences hearing it, performing it, teaching it, in whatever country, in whatever decade. I became quite good listening to her, nodding, encouraging her on with it. Lol.

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              • AxtremusA Away
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                Axtremus
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                The top left corner of the page, the notes right after the word “Precipitato” suggest to you how to count: 1 2 1 2 3 1 2

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  The top left corner of the page, the notes right after the word “Precipitato” suggest to you how to count: 1 2 1 2 3 1 2

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                  @Axtremus said in 7 / 8 time:

                  The top left corner of the page, the notes right after the word “Precipitato” suggest to you how to count: 1 2 1 2 3 1 2

                  Exactly.

                  In other pieces it's counted as 2+2+3, so you really need to look at what's specified for that piece.

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    The top left corner of the page, the notes right after the word “Precipitato” suggest to you how to count: 1 2 1 2 3 1 2

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    @Axtremus said in 7 / 8 time:

                    The top left corner of the page, the notes right after the word “Precipitato” suggest to you how to count: 1 2 1 2 3 1 2

                    Ah, thank you!

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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