Are ventilators causing more harm than good?

[LuFins Dad]

@Loki No, the reason the current projections seem so low is because the new projections are based on data vs early projections based on models of Italy, not the US.

[jon-nyc]

@LuFins-Dad

Not even Italy. Wuhan.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc even worse.

[A Former User]

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[kluurs]

A friend who is an ER doc in NYC shared this - story. There are better interventions available - proning and oxygen therapy appear to be more advantageous than immediately putting people on ventilators.

"At Lincoln Hospital in the Bronx, Dr. Nicholas Caputo followed 50 patients who arrived with low oxygen levels between 69 and 85 percent (95 is normal). After five minutes of proning, they had improved to a mean of 94 percent. Over the next 24 hours, nearly three-quarters were able to avoid intubation; 13 needed ventilators. Proning does not seem to work as well in older patients, a number of doctors said."

[Loki]

Per HHS there will be 35,700 additional ventilators in the stockpile by June 1 and 137,431 by the end of 2020. Meanwhile IMHE says a total of 13,851 are needed in total.

Sounds like given what’s out there + the 137k we are in great shape.

[Copper]

Ventilator storage 2021

[George K]

@Loki said in Are ventilators causing more harm than good?:

Per HHS there will be 35,700 additional ventilators in the stockpile by June 1 and 137,431 by the end of 2020. Meanwhile IMHE says a total of 13,851 are needed in total.

Sounds like given what’s out there + the 137k we are in great shape.

I dont remember who said it: “In a year we’going to have a lot of expensive end tables.”