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A Slice of Sanity

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    A British opinion piece...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-horror-in-israel-has-put-the-failure-of-western-multiculturalism-on-shocking-display/ar-AA1hZxRW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3e6acd8cca6c477797ea86972997f16f&ei=30

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
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      The money shot:

      "When Suella Braverman claimed recently that multiculturalism has failed “because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it… And, in extreme cases, they could pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of society,” she was heavily criticised.

      She was right, though, wasn’t she? Since the invasion of Israel, the failure of multiculturalism has been on shameless and shocking display in Western capitals."

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • Doctor PhibesD Online
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        I don't agree with the word 'failure'. Multiculturalism hasn't fully succeeded, and clearly there are problems with it. That isn't the same as failure. There are aspects of, for example Scottish, Irish, Italian, Indian and Pakistani culture that have added greatly to what Britain is. Avoiding references to the current atrocities, but the IRA bombings of mainland Britain did not reflect a failure of the Irish as a whole to provide a very positive contribution to British society.

        Assimilation works both ways - people who emigrate to a country are changed by the experience, but the society they move to is also changed. Is this multiculturism? I don't know, to be honest.

        I was only joking

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        • AxtremusA Offline
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          #4

          @Mik said in A Slice of Sanity:

          She was right, though, wasn’t she? Since the invasion of Israel, the failure of multiculturalism has been on shameless and shocking display in Western capitals."

          There is no multiculturalism in the latest Hamas/Israel conflict. There are scant Israelis living in Gaza, there are scant Gazans living in Israel. From Israel, not many Israelis want to go to the Gaza Strip. From the Gaza Strip, Israel has been pretty effective at walling off the Gaza Strip such that regular Gazans cannot cross into Israel; Gazans need to apply work permits and go through various security checkpoints to go from the Gaza Strip into Israel, and return to the Gaza Strip at the end of the work day.

          The latest attack on Israel was launched from outside of Israel, not by people living in Israel.

          What you have there is not "multiculturalism", no place where Gazans/Palestinians and Israelis freely mingle in one society, but two cultures deliberately separated by walls and fences.

          One can argue that if you actually mix Palestinians and Israelis together (all mixed up and scattered in the same place), perhaps Hamas would be more hesitant to launch rockets into Israel (because there would be lots of Gazans/Palestinians getting hit) and Israel would be more hesitant to bomb Gaza in retaliation (because there would also more Israelis getting hit) -- multiculturalism would have improved things rather than make things worse.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Online
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            There is a real concern about the demonstrations of support for Hamas that have been seen in the UK and elsewhere. I don't have a real feeling for how widespread that is, and how many people feel this way.

            I was only joking

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