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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 01:14 last edited by LuFins Dad 10 Oct 2023, 01:17
    #205

    Bolivia, China, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, France, Gabon, Malawi, Mexico, Nepal, Pakistan, Russian Federation, Senegal, Ukraine, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan. LOL

    Malawi still has witch trials. Literally.

    The Brad

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    • L LuFins Dad
      10 Oct 2023, 01:14

      Bolivia, China, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, France, Gabon, Malawi, Mexico, Nepal, Pakistan, Russian Federation, Senegal, Ukraine, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan. LOL

      Malawi still has witch trials. Literally.

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      Renauda
      wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 01:34 last edited by Renauda 10 Oct 2023, 01:40
      #206

      @LuFins-Dad

      Other than Malawi having witch trials, why LOL?

      Elbows up!

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      • R Renauda
        10 Oct 2023, 01:34

        @LuFins-Dad

        Other than Malawi having witch trials, why LOL?

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 02:40 last edited by
        #207

        @Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

        @LuFins-Dad

        Other than Malawi having witch trials, why LOL?

        China still utilizes slave labor. Russia has committed countless war crimes in the invasion of Ukraine, and assassination is still a preferred political strategy. The military in the Ivory Coast still regularly torture and rape their own citizens. Senegal is a little better, but not much. And do I even need to talk about the UK?

        The Brad

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          Renauda
          wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 02:43 last edited by Renauda 10 Oct 2023, 04:14
          #208

          Yes you do, what about the UK?

          On second thought don’t answer the question here, start another thread so as not to derail this one.

          Elbows up!

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          • B bachophile
            9 Oct 2023, 12:27

            also the defense mnister galant just announced what will basically be a middle ages seige on gaza. no food, water fuel or supplies to be allowed in. all kid gloves are coming off

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            George K
            wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 12:43 last edited by
            #209

            @bachophile said:

            the defense mnister galant just announced what will basically be a middle ages seige on gaza. no food, water fuel or supplies to be allowed in. all kid gloves are coming off

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Mik
              wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 12:46 last edited by
              #210

              All very predictable.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                George K
                wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 12:52 last edited by
                #211

                Civilization and savagery are fundamentally at war.

                We’re in a war between savages and civilization. Everything else is a detail.

                Some of us woke up to that war when planes crashed into skyscrapers. Others when we saw beheading videos spread across social media. What we saw in Israel, Hamas terrorists raping, mutilating and defiling corpses, is another bloody wake-up call. There will be many others.

                Beyond the politics and the geopolitics, we still haven’t come to terms with what we’re fighting.

                The barbarism of murdering women and children, taking them as hostages, and posting photos of their dead bodies to social media, is not a byproduct of Islamic warfare, it’s the whole point.

                Cruelty, beheading, burning to death, torturing and mutilating are the essence of Islam. This is how Islamic warfare was practiced beginning with Mohammed for over a thousand years. It’s how it continues to be practiced, whether it’s ISIS fighting other Muslims, Azebajani troops killing Armenians, Hamas attacking Israelis, or Islamic terrorists plotting carnage in Western nations.

                Islam was born out of a war by barbarians against the civilized societies of Persia and Byzantium. Despite academic mythmaking, its vision never extended beyond rape and slavery, its empires fell into power struggles, beginning with Sunnis and Shiites, and its cultural and scientific accomplishments were all looted from conquered peoples. When civilization finally toppled the Ottoman Empire with some help from its internal barbarians, the cycle began again.

                Waiting for @jon-nyc ....

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 13:17 last edited by
                  #212

                  At a certain point, civilization must triumph. To do that, we have to eradicate barbarism.

                  Personally, I prefer a method that is most thorough and represents the least risk to civilization.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    George K
                    wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 13:18 last edited by
                    #213

                    Clearly, Abbas is unclear on the concept of FAFO:

                    Abbas called on the UN to immediately intervene

                    During a telephone call tonight with the United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, President Mahmoud Abbas called on the UN to immediately intervene to stop the ongoing Israeli aggression against the Palestinian people, particularly in the Gaza Strip, which is currently under Israeli threats of cutting off its humanitarian needs such as electricity, water, and food; which are rights guaranteed by international law and legitimacy.

                    President Abbas stressed the importance of delivering relief and medical aid to our people in the Gaza Strip, stressing the need for the United Nations to intervene to prevent a humanitarian disaster in the Strip.

                    He urged the UN to carry out its duties recognized by international legitimacy and provide international protection for the Palestinian people.

                    The President reiterated that the only solution to all the escalation taking place in the region is the political solution of ending the Israeli occupation of the land of the State of Palestine, with Jerusalem as its capital.

                    For his part, Guterres stressed that the United Nations is making efforts to provide urgent humanitarian relief aid to people in the Gaza Strip.

                    He said that the UN is conducting contact with all concerned international parties in order to stop the ongoing escalation.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 13:39 last edited by
                      #214

                      Israeli border towns literally decimated.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 13:50 last edited by
                        #215

                        40 babies.

                        Some beheaded.

                        https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • J Jolly
                          10 Oct 2023, 13:50

                          40 babies.

                          Some beheaded.

                          https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU

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                          George K
                          wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 13:53 last edited by
                          #216

                          @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                          40 babies.

                          Some beheaded.

                          Read the "Savagery" column about 2 posts up.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            kluurs
                            wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:08 last edited by
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                            In any population, there are the good, the bad, and the ugly. Proportions may vary. Still, the sad thing is when the innocents are killed - children and those with peace of heart. The seeds of the brutality and retribution are once more being sown. It's one of those times when one wonders if humanity has a path forward that moves away from madness. I think of those who survived WWII - who must have felt this sickness even more closely. Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

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                            • K kluurs
                              10 Oct 2023, 15:08

                              In any population, there are the good, the bad, and the ugly. Proportions may vary. Still, the sad thing is when the innocents are killed - children and those with peace of heart. The seeds of the brutality and retribution are once more being sown. It's one of those times when one wonders if humanity has a path forward that moves away from madness. I think of those who survived WWII - who must have felt this sickness even more closely. Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:42 last edited by
                              #218

                              @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                              Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                              Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • G George K
                                10 Oct 2023, 15:42

                                @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                                Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                                Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:48 last edited by
                                #219

                                @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                                Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                                Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                                Oh, they still wholeheartedly support them and that support will get even deeper the more the Israeli reacts. The bad guy in their minds is not Hamas for attacking, the bad guy is Israel for not willingly walking into the ocean.

                                The Brad

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:50 last edited by
                                  #220

                                  And that, ultimately, is the biggest difference when weighing the morality of both sides.

                                  The Brad

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                                  • G George K
                                    10 Oct 2023, 12:52

                                    Civilization and savagery are fundamentally at war.

                                    We’re in a war between savages and civilization. Everything else is a detail.

                                    Some of us woke up to that war when planes crashed into skyscrapers. Others when we saw beheading videos spread across social media. What we saw in Israel, Hamas terrorists raping, mutilating and defiling corpses, is another bloody wake-up call. There will be many others.

                                    Beyond the politics and the geopolitics, we still haven’t come to terms with what we’re fighting.

                                    The barbarism of murdering women and children, taking them as hostages, and posting photos of their dead bodies to social media, is not a byproduct of Islamic warfare, it’s the whole point.

                                    Cruelty, beheading, burning to death, torturing and mutilating are the essence of Islam. This is how Islamic warfare was practiced beginning with Mohammed for over a thousand years. It’s how it continues to be practiced, whether it’s ISIS fighting other Muslims, Azebajani troops killing Armenians, Hamas attacking Israelis, or Islamic terrorists plotting carnage in Western nations.

                                    Islam was born out of a war by barbarians against the civilized societies of Persia and Byzantium. Despite academic mythmaking, its vision never extended beyond rape and slavery, its empires fell into power struggles, beginning with Sunnis and Shiites, and its cultural and scientific accomplishments were all looted from conquered peoples. When civilization finally toppled the Ottoman Empire with some help from its internal barbarians, the cycle began again.

                                    Waiting for @jon-nyc ....

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                                    Wim
                                    wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:53 last edited by
                                    #221

                                    @George-K
                                    Replace 'islam' by 'religion'.
                                    Then I can agree.
                                    Remember ' Gott mit uns'...

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                                    • G George K
                                      10 Oct 2023, 15:42

                                      @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                      Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                                      Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                                      Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:00 last edited by
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                                      @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                      @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                      Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                                      Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                                      Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                                      Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • G George K
                                        10 Oct 2023, 15:42

                                        @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                        Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                                        Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                                        Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

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                                        kluurs
                                        wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:28 last edited by
                                        #223

                                        @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                        @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                        Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                                        Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.

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                                        • K kluurs
                                          10 Oct 2023, 16:28

                                          @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                                          Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.

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                                          kluurs
                                          wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:30 last edited by
                                          #224

                                          @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                                          Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country. And right now we are in the fog of things. It has been said and seems credible if not yet verifiable, that more than Hamas fighters are involved.

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