Hamas attacks Israel
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 01:14 last edited by LuFins Dad 10 Oct 2023, 01:17
Bolivia, China, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, France, Gabon, Malawi, Mexico, Nepal, Pakistan, Russian Federation, Senegal, Ukraine, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan. LOL
Malawi still has witch trials. Literally.
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Bolivia, China, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, France, Gabon, Malawi, Mexico, Nepal, Pakistan, Russian Federation, Senegal, Ukraine, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan. LOL
Malawi still has witch trials. Literally.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 01:34 last edited by Renauda 10 Oct 2023, 01:40Other than Malawi having witch trials, why LOL?
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Other than Malawi having witch trials, why LOL?
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 02:40 last edited by@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Other than Malawi having witch trials, why LOL?
China still utilizes slave labor. Russia has committed countless war crimes in the invasion of Ukraine, and assassination is still a preferred political strategy. The military in the Ivory Coast still regularly torture and rape their own citizens. Senegal is a little better, but not much. And do I even need to talk about the UK?
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 02:43 last edited by Renauda 10 Oct 2023, 04:14
Yes you do, what about the UK?
On second thought don’t answer the question here, start another thread so as not to derail this one.
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also the defense mnister galant just announced what will basically be a middle ages seige on gaza. no food, water fuel or supplies to be allowed in. all kid gloves are coming off
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 12:43 last edited by@bachophile said:
the defense mnister galant just announced what will basically be a middle ages seige on gaza. no food, water fuel or supplies to be allowed in. all kid gloves are coming off
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 12:46 last edited by
All very predictable.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 12:52 last edited by
Civilization and savagery are fundamentally at war.
We’re in a war between savages and civilization. Everything else is a detail.
Some of us woke up to that war when planes crashed into skyscrapers. Others when we saw beheading videos spread across social media. What we saw in Israel, Hamas terrorists raping, mutilating and defiling corpses, is another bloody wake-up call. There will be many others.
Beyond the politics and the geopolitics, we still haven’t come to terms with what we’re fighting.
The barbarism of murdering women and children, taking them as hostages, and posting photos of their dead bodies to social media, is not a byproduct of Islamic warfare, it’s the whole point.
Cruelty, beheading, burning to death, torturing and mutilating are the essence of Islam. This is how Islamic warfare was practiced beginning with Mohammed for over a thousand years. It’s how it continues to be practiced, whether it’s ISIS fighting other Muslims, Azebajani troops killing Armenians, Hamas attacking Israelis, or Islamic terrorists plotting carnage in Western nations.
Islam was born out of a war by barbarians against the civilized societies of Persia and Byzantium. Despite academic mythmaking, its vision never extended beyond rape and slavery, its empires fell into power struggles, beginning with Sunnis and Shiites, and its cultural and scientific accomplishments were all looted from conquered peoples. When civilization finally toppled the Ottoman Empire with some help from its internal barbarians, the cycle began again.
Waiting for @jon-nyc ....
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 13:17 last edited by
At a certain point, civilization must triumph. To do that, we have to eradicate barbarism.
Personally, I prefer a method that is most thorough and represents the least risk to civilization.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 13:18 last edited by
Clearly, Abbas is unclear on the concept of FAFO:
Abbas called on the UN to immediately intervene
During a telephone call tonight with the United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, President Mahmoud Abbas called on the UN to immediately intervene to stop the ongoing Israeli aggression against the Palestinian people, particularly in the Gaza Strip, which is currently under Israeli threats of cutting off its humanitarian needs such as electricity, water, and food; which are rights guaranteed by international law and legitimacy.
President Abbas stressed the importance of delivering relief and medical aid to our people in the Gaza Strip, stressing the need for the United Nations to intervene to prevent a humanitarian disaster in the Strip.
He urged the UN to carry out its duties recognized by international legitimacy and provide international protection for the Palestinian people.
The President reiterated that the only solution to all the escalation taking place in the region is the political solution of ending the Israeli occupation of the land of the State of Palestine, with Jerusalem as its capital.
For his part, Guterres stressed that the United Nations is making efforts to provide urgent humanitarian relief aid to people in the Gaza Strip.
He said that the UN is conducting contact with all concerned international parties in order to stop the ongoing escalation.
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
40 babies.
Some beheaded.
Read the "Savagery" column about 2 posts up.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:08 last edited by
In any population, there are the good, the bad, and the ugly. Proportions may vary. Still, the sad thing is when the innocents are killed - children and those with peace of heart. The seeds of the brutality and retribution are once more being sown. It's one of those times when one wonders if humanity has a path forward that moves away from madness. I think of those who survived WWII - who must have felt this sickness even more closely. Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
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In any population, there are the good, the bad, and the ugly. Proportions may vary. Still, the sad thing is when the innocents are killed - children and those with peace of heart. The seeds of the brutality and retribution are once more being sown. It's one of those times when one wonders if humanity has a path forward that moves away from madness. I think of those who survived WWII - who must have felt this sickness even more closely. Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:42 last edited by@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
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@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:48 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Oh, they still wholeheartedly support them and that support will get even deeper the more the Israeli reacts. The bad guy in their minds is not Hamas for attacking, the bad guy is Israel for not willingly walking into the ocean.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:50 last edited by
And that, ultimately, is the biggest difference when weighing the morality of both sides.
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Civilization and savagery are fundamentally at war.
We’re in a war between savages and civilization. Everything else is a detail.
Some of us woke up to that war when planes crashed into skyscrapers. Others when we saw beheading videos spread across social media. What we saw in Israel, Hamas terrorists raping, mutilating and defiling corpses, is another bloody wake-up call. There will be many others.
Beyond the politics and the geopolitics, we still haven’t come to terms with what we’re fighting.
The barbarism of murdering women and children, taking them as hostages, and posting photos of their dead bodies to social media, is not a byproduct of Islamic warfare, it’s the whole point.
Cruelty, beheading, burning to death, torturing and mutilating are the essence of Islam. This is how Islamic warfare was practiced beginning with Mohammed for over a thousand years. It’s how it continues to be practiced, whether it’s ISIS fighting other Muslims, Azebajani troops killing Armenians, Hamas attacking Israelis, or Islamic terrorists plotting carnage in Western nations.
Islam was born out of a war by barbarians against the civilized societies of Persia and Byzantium. Despite academic mythmaking, its vision never extended beyond rape and slavery, its empires fell into power struggles, beginning with Sunnis and Shiites, and its cultural and scientific accomplishments were all looted from conquered peoples. When civilization finally toppled the Ottoman Empire with some help from its internal barbarians, the cycle began again.
Waiting for @jon-nyc ....
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@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:00 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
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@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:28 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:30 last edited by@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country. And right now we are in the fog of things. It has been said and seems credible if not yet verifiable, that more than Hamas fighters are involved.