Hamas attacks Israel

[jon-nyc]

Israeli death toll up to 800. “At least” 150 hostages.

Jesus.

[jon-nyc]

On Bari Weiss’s podcast she interviewed a mom whose 12 and 16 year olds were abducted.

It’s hard to listen to.

[Copper]

From a BBC story in March

Israeli gun ownership is low at about 2% of the population. It compares to about 30% of the population owning a gun in the US.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-65110881

I'm surprised to see it that low.

[Copper]

Israeli airspace at the moment

Note the drone(?) in the south

No registration (just Israel), No Type

[Copper]

Interesting flight path on this Israeli military plane

There are a few Israeli military planes up, they all look like this

The few commercial flights leaving Tel Aviv look normal

[Horace]

I don’t know how to interpret this as a war. Is there a way to target those responsible for the terrorist attack? Is turning Gaza into glass a close enough approximation?

[Copper]

Isn't calling it a war something you do to establish new rules, not necessarily actions?

[Horace]

I am sure parallels to Dresden and Hiroshima exist.

[Renauda]

It’s a war, a war between Hamas and Israel in which Hamas fired the first shot in aggression. Israel is defending itself.

Not sure if you’ll find many parallels, Hamas is not a sovereign state and nor is there a recognised Palestinian state. In that sense it’s sort of like a civil war (which it is not) and sort of like, what Putin has called, a special military operation, but a purely defensive and justifiable SMO and one with a clearly defined objective - the annihilation of Hamas as a criminal and para military terrorist organisation. But on second thought it’s not an SMO either.

So for now let’s settle with; it’s a war. Much more to the point.

[LuFins Dad]

The very act of destroying Hamas creates Hamas. I’d call it a Hydra, but it’s much more insidious than that.

[Renauda]

LD, you can’t reason with fanatics, they must be annihilated. A major part of the hydra is made up of fanatics, Islamic fanatics at that.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

On Bari Weiss’s podcast she interviewed a mom whose 12 and 16 year olds were abducted.

It’s hard to listen to.

I’m sure it is. Think I’ll skip that one.

[LuFins Dad]

@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

LD, you can’t reason with fanatics, they must be annihilated. A major part of the hydra is made up of fanatics, Islamic fanatics at that.

I don’t disagree. I just think that direction will have to go much farther than what I believe most westerners will ever accept.

[Renauda]

I would have no issue.

[George K]

[George K]

Jesus...

Almost to glass:

[Jolly]

They can sleep on the rocks and drink seawater.

Renauda is right.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

They can sleep on the rocks and drink seawater.

In the dark...

[George K]

The UN Human Rights Council

"And elsewhere."

[LuFins Dad]