Hamas attacks Israel
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IDF Spokes: 300k reservists have been called
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Israeli dead approaching 700.
Hamas claims over 130 hostages.
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Hamas has captured a bit of Israeli armor, mostly personnel carriers, but also a few tanks. I've also seen some drone footage where automated defense systems were taken out by Hamas drones, so I suspect they'll be using drones against Israeli targets (ala Ukraine) as Israel ramps up its offensive.
I suspect this is going to be a bloody little war.
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HuffPo's columnist.
Enjoy
Media Calls The Attack On Israel Unprovoked. Experts Say That’s Historically Inaccurate.
The attack has resulted in strongly worded support for Israel from many western nations, including the U.S., who along with the media are describing the violence as unprovoked and unprecedented. But experts on the region’s history, as well as groups supporting Palestinian liberation, say that description is false.
IfNotNow, a progressive American Jewish group that opposes Israeli apartheid, said that while “we watch the unfolding horrors with heartbreak and dread for our loved ones ― Israelis and Palestinians alike” ― the attack by Palestinian fighters was a result of decades of oppression.
“We cannot and will not say today’s actions by Palestinian militants are unprovoked,” the group said in a statement on Saturday. “Every day under Israel’s system of apartheid is a provocation. The strangling siege on Gaza is a provocation. Settlers terrorizing entire Palestinian villages, soldiers raiding and demolishing Palestinian homes, murdering Palestinians in the streets, Israeli ministers calling for genocide and expulsion.”
“These are the provocations of the most extreme right wing government in Israel’s history and an emboldened fascist movement escalating this crisis across the land.”
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From a surgeon we know:
as im acting chief (His boss is in Italy), my job was for the most part admin, making sure was ER is staffed by enough man surgical power (residents and attendings) i didnt scrub for anything.
the hospital has a pretty well trained protocol for mass casualties, with initial triage to trauma bays for critical, other beds for just serious, and a intermediate zone where one of my attendings was in charge of re triage to make sure no critical injuries missed in the initial triage which takes just seconds in the ambulance bay.
during my various tours of the ER I saw, we received about 5 sikorsky CH-53 sea stallions (pic attached) each capable of holding about 4-5 intubated, or 20 moderates, throughout the day. some bad burns (houses were set on fire with occupants locked inside, mothers and kids. horrible.
a number of penetrating wounds, the general surgeons dealt with the abdominal penetrations, thoracic with the chest and esophageal perforations, i saw one guy with an axillary artery injury from a bullet in the arm pit, whom vascular was taking in for exploration, the soldier had tied himself a tourniquet proximal to the wound over his shoulder, and continued shooting with the free arm, until he was evacuated,, and lots and lots of orthopedic debridements of shrapnel wounds on limbs.
thats just a sample of the day in the ER saturday, total of about 100,over the 24 hours, i think about 5 -6 laparotomies. but we were not near capacity, because most of the wounded were flown to hospitals further south to cut down evacuation time.
the big news was the rave party, there were about 3000 kids there for an all night DJ dancing in the desert type thing, last report isaw assumed there were still 300 corpses lying about waiting to be IDd, people from all over the world, Americans, Europeans, Asians, as well as locals.
anyway, thats the update for now, feel free to cut and paste to the forum...if you like.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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War crimes, pure and simple.
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Hamas’s War on Israel: Everything You Need to Know
The shocking attack in southern Israel this weekend was the most deadly killing of Jews since the Holocaust. The death toll is worse than the worst day of the Yom Kippur War. It is a massacre that will transform Israel and the Middle East.
What happened? How did the most sophisticated military power in the Middle East get brought to its knees? And what will this mean for the Jewish state moving forward? The answer to those questions will be the reckoning of our lifetimes.
But there are more basic questions that so many are asking. What follows are some answers that explain how we got here and where we might be going.
A bit long-ish, but interesting.
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@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Stop being obtuse. And stay on topic, once again you fall back to your preferred tactic of throwing out distractors when your argument is under question.
Of course there’s weapons corruption in Ukraine, no one suggests otherwise.
Add in some U.S. weapons that Biden left in Afghanistan...
https://www.newsweek.com/israel-worries-us-weapons-ukraine-are-ending-irans-hands-1806131
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
From a surgeon we know:
as im acting chief (His boss is in Italy), my job was for the most part admin, making sure was ER is staffed by enough man surgical power (residents and attendings) i didnt scrub for anything.
the hospital has a pretty well trained protocol for mass casualties, with initial triage to trauma bays for critical, other beds for just serious, and a intermediate zone where one of my attendings was in charge of re triage to make sure no critical injuries missed in the initial triage which takes just seconds in the ambulance bay.
during my various tours of the ER I saw, we received about 5 sikorsky CH-53 sea stallions (pic attached) each capable of holding about 4-5 intubated, or 20 moderates, throughout the day. some bad burns (houses were set on fire with occupants locked inside, mothers and kids. horrible.
a number of penetrating wounds, the general surgeons dealt with the abdominal penetrations, thoracic with the chest and esophageal perforations, i saw one guy with an axillary artery injury from a bullet in the arm pit, whom vascular was taking in for exploration, the soldier had tied himself a tourniquet proximal to the wound over his shoulder, and continued shooting with the free arm, until he was evacuated,, and lots and lots of orthopedic debridements of shrapnel wounds on limbs.
thats just a sample of the day in the ER saturday, total of about 100,over the 24 hours, i think about 5 -6 laparotomies. but we were not near capacity, because most of the wounded were flown to hospitals further south to cut down evacuation time.
the big news was the rave party, there were about 3000 kids there for an all night DJ dancing in the desert type thing, last report isaw assumed there were still 300 corpses lying about waiting to be IDd, people from all over the world, Americans, Europeans, Asians, as well as locals.
anyway, thats the update for now, feel free to cut and paste to the forum...if you like.
here's the attached pic, which i gues didnt copy paste
standard military transport bird -
I can't imagine...
Post-Katrina, we dealt with a Chinook loaded with patients, but that was a mix of post-op and internal med. Y'all are dealing with trauma. It's like multiple MVA's hitting the ED at the same time, and then the whole thing gets repeated when the next chopper lands.
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scattered reports about something in the north, but not verified yet....
in the meantime El Al has sent out a plane to south america, going country to country, picking up israeli trekkers trying to return to there reserve units. typical isreali wartime behaviour
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also the defense mnister galant just announced what will basically be a middle ages seige on gaza. no food, water fuel or supplies to be allowed in. all kid gloves are coming off
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im in clinic now, cant really chat, ill try to update as i can
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@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:
all kid gloves are coming off
"One of the oldest rules in American gangland was formulated by Murray "the Camel" Humphreys of the Capone mob in Chicago: "If you ever have to cock a gun in a man's face, kill him. If you walk away without killing him after doing that, he'll kill you the next day." The Israelis could have, and should have, finished the Iran-adjacent Hamas terrorist organization when they had the chance, but of course they did not, and this is the result. "
Did Israel have the chance?
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the thing that always stopped it, was the price of war, too many soldiers dead. now we have (its going to be) 1000 dead and havent even crossed the border yet.
so this will get ugly, and lot of innocents will suffer, but a red line has been crossed which can never be redone. i dont think there will be negotiations for hostages. there will be all out war and if hostages die, its all part of the price for getting it done
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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the idea is to bring hamas to its knees, and then some. till they beg to stop, and even then we wont until all their heads are served on a plate.
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ok, have some cancer patients now, gotta stop
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@bachophile said:
scattered reports about something in the north
all fine
some local bozos tried to shoot two mortar rounds over the fence
one landed in lebanon on the same side of the fence, the other in an open field over the border.
no infiltration
