Hamas attacks Israel
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@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
It will be interesting to see how this affects their culture war. Well, I don't suppose I'll know, because all culture war news is filtered by whomever is telling it. On this morning's shellshocked Bari Weiss podcast, her Israeli guest predicted the Bibi government "won't survive this". But it can't be lost on many that their left, anti-Bibi side was recently bragging about the members of the military who said they would refuse to show up for Bibi. I wonder what those members of the military are publicly saying now that shit got real.
I suspect it's either show up or the consequences will be very severe.
Do not let they alligator mouth overload they hummingbird ass. So to speak.
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The USS Gerald R. Ford the Navy’s newest and most advanced aircraft carrier, and its approximately 5,000 sailors and deck of warplanes will be accompanied by cruisers and destroyers in a show of force that is meant to be ready to respond to anything, from possibly interdicting additional weapons from reaching Hamas and conducting surveillance.
The large deployment, which also includes a host of ships and warplanes, underscores the concern that the United States has in trying to deter the conflict from growing. The Israeli government formally declared war Sunday and gave the green light for “significant military steps” to retaliate against Hamas. -
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
My bad those dimensions are Gaza city not the whole strip. The strip is 4 Napervilles.
Still it’s narrow, between 6-12 km. With only 20k soldiers you could literally stand shoulder to shoulder across the strip at it’s widest point.
Yes, I was surprised at how small the land dimensions are of Gaza strip.
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Wow. They’re still fighting to take back their own land.
Israel’s military acknowledged on Monday that it was still battling to drive Palestinian militants out of southern towns near the Gaza Strip and that more militants could still be crossing through breaches in the border fence, two days after an invasion that has killed hundreds and provoked furious retaliatory strikes by Israel.
“We are still fighting,” Lt. Col. Richard Hecht of the Israel Defense Forces said at a briefing on Monday morning, offering an unusually blunt assessment of the military’s struggles to turn back the invasion that began on Saturday. “We thought by this morning we’d be in a better place.”
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Hamas has captured a bit of Israeli armor, mostly personnel carriers, but also a few tanks. I've also seen some drone footage where automated defense systems were taken out by Hamas drones, so I suspect they'll be using drones against Israeli targets (ala Ukraine) as Israel ramps up its offensive.
I suspect this is going to be a bloody little war.
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HuffPo's columnist.
Enjoy
Media Calls The Attack On Israel Unprovoked. Experts Say That’s Historically Inaccurate.
The attack has resulted in strongly worded support for Israel from many western nations, including the U.S., who along with the media are describing the violence as unprovoked and unprecedented. But experts on the region’s history, as well as groups supporting Palestinian liberation, say that description is false.
IfNotNow, a progressive American Jewish group that opposes Israeli apartheid, said that while “we watch the unfolding horrors with heartbreak and dread for our loved ones ― Israelis and Palestinians alike” ― the attack by Palestinian fighters was a result of decades of oppression.
“We cannot and will not say today’s actions by Palestinian militants are unprovoked,” the group said in a statement on Saturday. “Every day under Israel’s system of apartheid is a provocation. The strangling siege on Gaza is a provocation. Settlers terrorizing entire Palestinian villages, soldiers raiding and demolishing Palestinian homes, murdering Palestinians in the streets, Israeli ministers calling for genocide and expulsion.”
“These are the provocations of the most extreme right wing government in Israel’s history and an emboldened fascist movement escalating this crisis across the land.”
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From a surgeon we know:
as im acting chief (His boss is in Italy), my job was for the most part admin, making sure was ER is staffed by enough man surgical power (residents and attendings) i didnt scrub for anything.
the hospital has a pretty well trained protocol for mass casualties, with initial triage to trauma bays for critical, other beds for just serious, and a intermediate zone where one of my attendings was in charge of re triage to make sure no critical injuries missed in the initial triage which takes just seconds in the ambulance bay.
during my various tours of the ER I saw, we received about 5 sikorsky CH-53 sea stallions (pic attached) each capable of holding about 4-5 intubated, or 20 moderates, throughout the day. some bad burns (houses were set on fire with occupants locked inside, mothers and kids. horrible.
a number of penetrating wounds, the general surgeons dealt with the abdominal penetrations, thoracic with the chest and esophageal perforations, i saw one guy with an axillary artery injury from a bullet in the arm pit, whom vascular was taking in for exploration, the soldier had tied himself a tourniquet proximal to the wound over his shoulder, and continued shooting with the free arm, until he was evacuated,, and lots and lots of orthopedic debridements of shrapnel wounds on limbs.
thats just a sample of the day in the ER saturday, total of about 100,over the 24 hours, i think about 5 -6 laparotomies. but we were not near capacity, because most of the wounded were flown to hospitals further south to cut down evacuation time.
the big news was the rave party, there were about 3000 kids there for an all night DJ dancing in the desert type thing, last report isaw assumed there were still 300 corpses lying about waiting to be IDd, people from all over the world, Americans, Europeans, Asians, as well as locals.
anyway, thats the update for now, feel free to cut and paste to the forum...if you like.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Hamas’s War on Israel: Everything You Need to Know
The shocking attack in southern Israel this weekend was the most deadly killing of Jews since the Holocaust. The death toll is worse than the worst day of the Yom Kippur War. It is a massacre that will transform Israel and the Middle East.
What happened? How did the most sophisticated military power in the Middle East get brought to its knees? And what will this mean for the Jewish state moving forward? The answer to those questions will be the reckoning of our lifetimes.
But there are more basic questions that so many are asking. What follows are some answers that explain how we got here and where we might be going.
A bit long-ish, but interesting.
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@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Stop being obtuse. And stay on topic, once again you fall back to your preferred tactic of throwing out distractors when your argument is under question.
Of course there’s weapons corruption in Ukraine, no one suggests otherwise.
Add in some U.S. weapons that Biden left in Afghanistan...
https://www.newsweek.com/israel-worries-us-weapons-ukraine-are-ending-irans-hands-1806131
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
From a surgeon we know:
as im acting chief (His boss is in Italy), my job was for the most part admin, making sure was ER is staffed by enough man surgical power (residents and attendings) i didnt scrub for anything.
the hospital has a pretty well trained protocol for mass casualties, with initial triage to trauma bays for critical, other beds for just serious, and a intermediate zone where one of my attendings was in charge of re triage to make sure no critical injuries missed in the initial triage which takes just seconds in the ambulance bay.
during my various tours of the ER I saw, we received about 5 sikorsky CH-53 sea stallions (pic attached) each capable of holding about 4-5 intubated, or 20 moderates, throughout the day. some bad burns (houses were set on fire with occupants locked inside, mothers and kids. horrible.
a number of penetrating wounds, the general surgeons dealt with the abdominal penetrations, thoracic with the chest and esophageal perforations, i saw one guy with an axillary artery injury from a bullet in the arm pit, whom vascular was taking in for exploration, the soldier had tied himself a tourniquet proximal to the wound over his shoulder, and continued shooting with the free arm, until he was evacuated,, and lots and lots of orthopedic debridements of shrapnel wounds on limbs.
thats just a sample of the day in the ER saturday, total of about 100,over the 24 hours, i think about 5 -6 laparotomies. but we were not near capacity, because most of the wounded were flown to hospitals further south to cut down evacuation time.
the big news was the rave party, there were about 3000 kids there for an all night DJ dancing in the desert type thing, last report isaw assumed there were still 300 corpses lying about waiting to be IDd, people from all over the world, Americans, Europeans, Asians, as well as locals.
anyway, thats the update for now, feel free to cut and paste to the forum...if you like.
here's the attached pic, which i gues didnt copy paste
standard military transport bird -
I can't imagine...
Post-Katrina, we dealt with a Chinook loaded with patients, but that was a mix of post-op and internal med. Y'all are dealing with trauma. It's like multiple MVA's hitting the ED at the same time, and then the whole thing gets repeated when the next chopper lands.
