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  • jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #1247

    You were warned.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
      jon-nycJ Online
      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
      #1248

      Watch the video.

      You were warned.

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      • bachophileB Offline
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        bachophile
        wrote on last edited by
        #1249

        everyone is just waiting to see what’s happening

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        • jon-nycJ Online
          jon-nycJ Online
          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #1250

          Another pov:

          You were warned.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #1251

            I had seen some reporting within Israel that Trump was pressuring the Israelis too, but the source was Qatari so I don’t know how seriously to take it. It then this…

            You were warned.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #1252

              I think Trump is pushing both parties, using carrots and sticks.

              Next up, watch Iran. Some think we may try to shove the mullahs out of power, with a combination of new, strict financial sanctions and increased covert actions.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • bachophileB Offline
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                bachophile
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                #1253

                The carrot Israel is getting is a green light for attacking Iran. That’s the thing that will drive bibi to risk his government to accept the deal.
                Strange times

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                • jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1254

                  That seems a given. Carrot probably more like help in doing it.

                  You were warned.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
                    jon-nycJ Online
                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                    #1255

                    Either it’s true or Israel wants cover to back out and blame them. Either way not a good sign.

                    You were warned.

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                      bachophile
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                      #1256

                      Now reporting the deal has been signed.

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #1257

                        Trump has already taken credit. Despite the fact that it’s more or less identical to the deal Israel walked away from in May. But maybe that’s where his leverage was applied.

                        You were warned.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          Trump has already taken credit. Despite the fact that it’s more or less identical to the deal Israel walked away from in May. But maybe that’s where his leverage was applied.

                          jon-nycJ Online
                          jon-nycJ Online
                          jon-nyc
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                          #1258

                          @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                          But maybe that’s where his leverage was applied.

                          That does seem to be the case. Trump closing the partisan divide with Biden left Bibi no choice. Here’s ambassador Oren:

                          You were warned.

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            jon-nyc
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                            #1259

                            My guess is Bibi felt compelled but also figures Trump will have a low bar as to what constitutes a violation on the part of Hamas so it’ll be mere months before they can continue. In the mean time he gets some of the hostages back.

                            You were warned.

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1260

                              Apparently it hasn’t started yet.

                              You were warned.

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
                                jon-nycJ Online
                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1261

                                Fox News: “33 hostages will be released, some alive and some dead”

                                You were warned.

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                                • jon-nycJ Online
                                  jon-nycJ Online
                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #1262

                                  Bret Stephens. Paywalled, so I’ll copy paste here.

                                  The most interesting detail of the hostage-cease fire deal that Israeli and Hamas officials agreed to on Wednesday lies neither in its terms, which mainly resemble what’s been on the table for months, nor in the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, is effectively acquiescing to Hamas’s continued grip on power in the Gaza Strip after loudly and repeatedly vowing he wouldn’t.

                                  It’s the way the deal was secured: by Steven Witkoff, Donald Trump’s billionaire friend and incoming Mideast envoy, in a blunt Saturday morning meeting with the prime minister. “The envoy explained to his host in no uncertain terms that Trump expected him to agree to a deal,” Amos Harel, the Haaretz military analyst, reported on Tuesday. “Things that Netanyahu had termed life-and-death issues,” he added, “suddenly vanished.”

                                  Harel calls this “the Trump effect.” What is it? Partly it’s the store of political capital that every president-elect has before coming to office and spending (or squandering) it; partly it’s the fact that Trump is behaving as if he’s already the president. But mostly it’s the fear and eagerness to please that Trump engenders, above all in those who seek his favor.

                                  The result, in the hostage case, is an underappreciated diplomatic paradox: Thanks largely to Trump, a deal demanded by the Israeli left and reviled by the right is about to come into effect. A year’s worth of diplomacy by the Biden administration is finally about to bear fruit on account of its political nemesis. The far-right parties that are part of Netanyahu’s coalition may bolt the government. And Netanyahu is far more prepared to bend the knee to Washington than he was when there were Democrats in the White House.
                                  In the hostage deal, the price for Israel will in many ways be heavy. For every Israeli hostage released by Hamas, Israel will release several-fold Palestinian prisoners, many of them with Israeli blood on their hands. It was through one such release that Yahya Sinwar, the mastermind of the Oct. 7 massacre, was freed. The phased nature of the agreement — which begins with the release of 33 hostages, most of them living but some most likely dead — will leave an unknown number behind, raising their political value and giving Hamas an opportunity to extract additional concessions.

                                  Most seriously, if Israel withdraws from the Philadelphi Corridor, the strip of land that separates Gaza from Egypt, Hamas may have the opportunity to rearm itself at scale, making an eventual replay of Oct. 7 and its aftermath more likely, though by no means inevitable.

                                  This doesn’t mean the deal is a bad one for Israel’s national interest — to say nothing of the blessing it is for the returning hostages, their families and a people who believe that the redemption of captives is a supreme moral duty.

                                  Unlike in May, when Biden first broached this agreement (or early September, when I opposed it) Israel now finds itself in a vastly stronger strategic position. The Iranian-led “Axis of Resistance,” of which Hamas was a member, has been decimated in Beirut, overthrown in Damascus, flattened in Gaza and badly stung in Tehran itself. No matter how many Palestinian prisoners are released, nobody in Hamas can seriously say that their Oct. 7 gamble rewarded them with anything except catastrophe. Israel also has less to fear, with Trump as president, from the threat of international arms embargoes or legal sanctions: Watch for all the risks of arresting Netanyahu in European capitals swiftly to disappear.

                                  A more difficult quandary for the Israeli right is what else Trump may want them to accept. The president-elect clearly wants an Israeli-Saudi normalization agreement as a capstone to the Abraham Accords he oversaw in 2020. For that to happen, the Saudis will demand a road map for a Palestinian state. Trump may also prefer to use Iran’s current weakness to negotiate a second nuclear deal, when what Netanyahu most wants is American help in an Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear sites, possibly in the next weeks or months.
                                  Where wisdom lies on either front rests mainly in the details. (I would favor nearly any plausible deal with Saudi Arabia and oppose nearly any likely one with Tehran.) But the larger point is this: Trump is going to scramble traditional foreign-policy assumptions, left or right. Liberals who think Trump’s second term will be one of unbridled bellicosity may be surprised. Conservatives who hope it will bring some overdue toughness on our enemies may be disappointed.

                                  Donald Trump may have the soul of a bully, but he also has the instincts of a dealmaker — and a yearning for acclaim, including the Nobel Peace Prize he thinks he was denied for the Abraham Accords. Whatever else his next four years in power bring, it won’t conform to ideological type. Somewhere out there, the spirit of Richard Milhous Nixon is smiling.

                                  You were warned.

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
                                    jon-nycJ Online
                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #1263

                                    I think the odds of Trump deciding to make a deal with even a weakened Iran are miniscule, I envision a joint attack on their nuclear program and maybe oil infrastructure within a few months. Notwithstanding that detail, it’s a good piece.

                                    You were warned.

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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      #1264

                                      The Brad

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        My guess is Bibi felt compelled but also figures Trump will have a low bar as to what constitutes a violation on the part of Hamas so it’ll be mere months before they can continue. In the mean time he gets some of the hostages back.

                                        jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                        #1265

                                        @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                        My guess is Bibi felt compelled but also figures Trump will have a low bar as to what constitutes a violation on the part of Hamas so it’ll be mere months before they can continue. In the mean time he gets some of the hostages back.

                                        Confirmed. Also this is team Trump feeling the blowback. His supporters here and in Israel thought it would be Hamas’ feet held to the fire, not Israel’s.

                                        You were warned.

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                                        • jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #1266

                                          The below gave me a horrible thought- I wonder if any young ladies were killed recently in order to ‘return’ them without them sharing their experiences.

                                          You were warned.

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