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  • George KG George K

    U.S. put a hold on an ammunition shipment to Israel

    The Biden administration last week put a hold on a shipment of U.S.-made ammunition to Israel, two Israeli officials told Axios.

    Why it matters: It is the first time since the Oct. 7 attack that the U.S. has stopped a weapons shipment intended for the Israeli military.

    • The incident raised serious concerns inside the Israeli government and sent officials scrambling to understand why the shipment was held, Israeli officials said.
    • President Biden is facing sharp criticism among Americans who oppose his support of Israel. The administration in February asked Israel to provide assurances that U.S.-made weapons were being used by Israel Defense Forces in Gaza in accordance with international law. Israel provided a signed letter of assurances in March.

    State of play: The Israeli officials said the ammunition shipment to Israel was stopped last week.

    • The White House declined to comment.
    • The Pentagon, the State Department and the Israeli Prime Minister's Office didn't immediately respond to questions.
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    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

    U.S. put a hold on an ammunition shipment to Israel

    https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-admin-hid-pause-in-arms-sales-to-israel-from-congress-sparking-probe/

    The Biden administration hid information about its decision to pause U.S. arms sales to Israel from Congress, sparking a probe led by two GOP senators, the Washington Free Beacon has learned.

    Senators Joni Ernst (R., Iowa) and Ted Budd (R., N.C.), in a letter sent Monday evening to the White House, are asking the administration to immediately inform Congress about what types of ammunition are being withheld from Israel and why. The pause in these ammo shipments was approved last week, but only became publicly known over the weekend when the decision was leaked to Axios. The Biden administration is holding up shipments of two types of Boeing-made precision bombs to send a political message to Israel, one U.S. official told Politico.

    "We are shocked that your administration has reportedly decided to withhold critical ammunition to Israel," the senators wrote, according to a copy of the letter obtained by the Free Beacon. "You promised your commitment to Israel was ironclad. Pausing much-needed military support to our closest Middle Eastern ally signals otherwise."

    The senators say the White House "failed to notify Congress about this decision," leaving lawmakers to learn of the decision from press reports. The letter signals mounting GOP concern with the Biden administration’s increasingly hostile stance toward Israel as it launches an offensive campaign into the Gaza Strip’s Rafah neighborhood, which the United States has lobbied against. The reported halt in ammunition sales is being viewed as a sign the Biden administration is caving to pressure from anti-Israel advocates in the Democratic Party who want to see the Jewish state isolated.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      The UN is not your friend.

      But you knew that.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Israeli top brass worried about a lack of post war plan.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Israeli top brass worried about a lack of post war plan.

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          @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

          Israeli top brass worried about a lack of post war plan.

          "War is easy, peace is hard."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Israeli top brass worried about a lack of post war plan.

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            @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            Israeli top brass worried about a lack of post war plan

            I read about that. Some pretty deep division in the upper goverment ministers. But I agree that Isreal should be thinking about this. You dont want to be the dog that chases the bus and then catches it. Whats next?!

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            • George KG George K

              @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              Israeli top brass worried about a lack of post war plan.

              "War is easy, peace is hard."

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              @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              Israeli top brass worried about a lack of post war plan.

              "War is easy, peace is hard."

              That is essentially what the historian Stephen Kotkin speaks of when he refers to “winning the peace”. A country can win the war but lose the ensuing peace. In the aftermath of WWII in Europe, Stalin won the war but the USSR lost the peace to the Western allies and rebuilt Germany. At the moment while it appears the IDF is winning, or has won, the war against Hamas, the Netanyahu government is in the process of losing the ensuing peace. In the end it is winning the peace is what counts and that takes planning and resolve.

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                Israeli top brass worried about a lack of post war plan.

                "War is easy, peace is hard."

                That is essentially what the historian Stephen Kotkin speaks of when he refers to “winning the peace”. A country can win the war but lose the ensuing peace. In the aftermath of WWII in Europe, Stalin won the war but the USSR lost the peace to the Western allies and rebuilt Germany. At the moment while it appears the IDF is winning, or has won, the war against Hamas, the Netanyahu government is in the process of losing the ensuing peace. In the end it is winning the peace is what counts and that takes planning and resolve.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  One of the two major complaints that led the Biden administration to withhold offensive aid in Gaza was the lack of a plan for running Gaza afterward. (The other being inadequate plan to minimize civilian deaths in Rafah)

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Kill 'em. EVERY ONE.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        Riddle me this, Batman: Why would they want to destroy the pier that exists only to send food into Gaza?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          Riddle me this, Batman: Why would they want to destroy the pier that exists only to send food into Gaza?

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                          @George-K What am I seeing in the above video?

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @George-K What am I seeing in the above video?

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                            @taiwan_girl presumably a US interception of a Hamas missile aimed at the "humanitarian pier."

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              No. It was test firing. The weapon is deployed on the pier in case it gets targeted.

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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  https://www.jpost.com/international/article-802556

                                  The International Court of Justice in the Hague ordered Israel to halt its Rafah operation, in a blow to Jerusalem’s diplomatic and judicial systems, on Friday. The court also ordered Israel to enable the entry of all the necessary humanitarian aid to Gaza.

                                  All measures were agreed upon in a vote of 13-2. The two votes against each measure were Julia Sebutinde, Uganda’s representative to the International Court of Justice, and Aharon Barak, former Israeli High Court President and Israel’s appointee to the ICJ Panel.

                                  The ICJ voted that Israel must immediately “halt its military offensive and any other action in the Rafah [area] which may inflict damaged on the Palestinian population in Gaza, or the conditions of life that would bring about its physical dysfunction, in whole or in part in favor,” Salam stated.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    https://www.jpost.com/international/article-802556

                                    The International Court of Justice in the Hague ordered Israel to halt its Rafah operation, in a blow to Jerusalem’s diplomatic and judicial systems, on Friday. The court also ordered Israel to enable the entry of all the necessary humanitarian aid to Gaza.

                                    All measures were agreed upon in a vote of 13-2. The two votes against each measure were Julia Sebutinde, Uganda’s representative to the International Court of Justice, and Aharon Barak, former Israeli High Court President and Israel’s appointee to the ICJ Panel.

                                    The ICJ voted that Israel must immediately “halt its military offensive and any other action in the Rafah [area] which may inflict damaged on the Palestinian population in Gaza, or the conditions of life that would bring about its physical dysfunction, in whole or in part in favor,” Salam stated.

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                                    @George-K Too lazy to look, but have they done the same thing for Russia invading Ukraine?

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      @George-K Too lazy to look, but have they done the same thing for Russia invading Ukraine?

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                                      @taiwan_girl

                                      No and it probably will not.

                                      The only reason this went before IJC is because South Africa (a signatory to the Rome Statute) brought it forward to the attention of the Court. The Court can only act and rule when a signatory state brings forward a claim.

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                                        https://www.yahoo.com/news/whats-in-bidens-three-phase-plan-to-end-the-war-in-gaza-194446399.html

                                        Over the weekend, an aide for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the country had accepted a framework agreement for winding down its ongoing military campaign in Gaza, while insisting that the proposal put forth by Biden was “not a good deal” and that "there are a lot of details to be worked out."

                                        Phase 1: A 6-week ceasefire

                                        Phase 2: The release of all hostages and full Israeli withdrawal

                                        Phase 3: The reconstruction of Gaza

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                                          If the reporting is accurate, the proposal came out of the Israeli war cabinet and was approved by Netanyahu himself.

                                          But he appears to be one man when operating in the unity government and another when talking to the coalition that got him the office in the first place.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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