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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    Might just try teaching Civics in school, instead of worrying about how to help children mutilate themselves.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Might just try teaching Civics in school, instead of worrying about how to help children mutilate themselves.

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      @Jolly said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

      Might just try teaching Civics in school, ...

      What do you think the syllabus for Civics in should be?

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      • MikM Offline
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        Been harping on rights vs. responsibilities for years.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          Srsly, what “responsibilities” have been codified into law?

          1. Pay taxes
          2. Register with Selective Service

          What else?
          What other “responsibilities” would you like to see codified into law?

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            I'd like to see greater discussion of what our responsibilities in a free society are versus rights. I think we need widespread societal awareness and acceptance of those responsibilities rather than legislation. It should start in our schools.

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @Jolly said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

              Might just try teaching Civics in school, ...

              What do you think the syllabus for Civics in should be?

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              wrote on last edited by
              #10

              @Axtremus said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

              @Jolly said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

              Might just try teaching Civics in school, ...

              What do you think the syllabus for Civics in should be?

              Civics should focus on the how and why we became a nation, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the reasoning behind it and it's amendments. The course should cover the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers.

              Students should be taught the branches of government, what each branch does and what is meant by separation of powers. They need to be taught how and why a legislative bill is created, and what it takes for a bill to become law. Students should know how those passed bills are funded and how the finances of government work.

              The course should teach what is meant by State's Rights and where the power of the state begins and where Federal power ends. The students need to know how their state and local governments work. They need to know the difference between a republic and a democracy, and why a republic can be superior to pure mob rule.

              The course should teach the difference between criminal and civil law, and how that law is administered by the courts, local, state and federal.

              The course should teach the election process. It should teach why voting is important and why election integrity is important. It should help students be able to focus on candidate's records and platforms, and why the two don't always match. It should expose the students to the subtleties of political advertising and how to wade through the fog of political constructs to look for as much truth in numbers and deeds as they can ascertain.

              And yes, a good civics course should teach the role of a good citizen in our country. With our rights come responsibilities. We are responsible for electing the best people to office. We are responsible to advocate for writing and passing the best laws our legislators can craft. Citizens are the ultimate authority on taxation levels, who and what should be taxed, and how the money raised should be spent.

              Now, what would you add?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                Civics is easy enough. There were great Civics courses in public schools. Unfortunately, they rolled it into Social Studies, and soon US Civics were handled on an equal footing as Tribal Government as practiced by indigenous tribes. The Constitution, Declaration of Independence, The Wealth of Nations, Paine’s Common Sense, and all of the letters and papers of the Founders are mentioned as existing and not studied.

                The Brad

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @Axtremus said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

                  @Jolly said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

                  Might just try teaching Civics in school, ...

                  What do you think the syllabus for Civics in should be?

                  Civics should focus on the how and why we became a nation, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the reasoning behind it and it's amendments. The course should cover the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers.

                  Students should be taught the branches of government, what each branch does and what is meant by separation of powers. They need to be taught how and why a legislative bill is created, and what it takes for a bill to become law. Students should know how those passed bills are funded and how the finances of government work.

                  The course should teach what is meant by State's Rights and where the power of the state begins and where Federal power ends. The students need to know how their state and local governments work. They need to know the difference between a republic and a democracy, and why a republic can be superior to pure mob rule.

                  The course should teach the difference between criminal and civil law, and how that law is administered by the courts, local, state and federal.

                  The course should teach the election process. It should teach why voting is important and why election integrity is important. It should help students be able to focus on candidate's records and platforms, and why the two don't always match. It should expose the students to the subtleties of political advertising and how to wade through the fog of political constructs to look for as much truth in numbers and deeds as they can ascertain.

                  And yes, a good civics course should teach the role of a good citizen in our country. With our rights come responsibilities. We are responsible for electing the best people to office. We are responsible to advocate for writing and passing the best laws our legislators can craft. Citizens are the ultimate authority on taxation levels, who and what should be taxed, and how the money raised should be spent.

                  Now, what would you add?

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                  @Jolly, a lot of your proposed syllabus for Civics are covered between the typical public middle/high school courses on “American History” and “American Government” type classes.

                  @Jolly said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

                  And yes, a good civics course should teach the role of a good citizen in our country. With our rights come responsibilities. We are responsible for electing the best people to office. We are responsible to advocate for writing and passing the best laws our legislators can craft. Citizens are the ultimate authority on taxation levels, who and what should be taxed, and how the money raised should be spent.

                  That’s all you have to say about “responsibilities” of citizens? How much of this are you willing to codify into law?

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                  • MikM Mik

                    I'd like to see greater discussion of what our responsibilities in a free society are versus rights. I think we need widespread societal awareness and acceptance of those responsibilities rather than legislation. It should start in our schools.

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                    @Mik said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

                    I'd like to see greater discussion of what our responsibilities in a free society are versus rights. I think we need widespread societal awareness and acceptance of those responsibilities rather than legislation. It should start in our schools.

                    1. So far all this discussion highlights the lack of agreement on what those “responsibilities” should be. (And to be fair, that’s a hard problem, so hard that even the founding fathers couldn’t agree on it.)
                    2. Start the discussion in our schools … (a) public schools only, or are you going to mandate the private schools and home school on this too? (b) You want the teenagers and children, based on their less-than-18 years of life experience, to somehow figure out things that so far the founding fathers and subsequent generations of Americans have not been able to agree on? What do we need the adults for?
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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @Jolly, a lot of your proposed syllabus for Civics are covered between the typical public middle/high school courses on “American History” and “American Government” type classes.

                      @Jolly said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

                      And yes, a good civics course should teach the role of a good citizen in our country. With our rights come responsibilities. We are responsible for electing the best people to office. We are responsible to advocate for writing and passing the best laws our legislators can craft. Citizens are the ultimate authority on taxation levels, who and what should be taxed, and how the money raised should be spent.

                      That’s all you have to say about “responsibilities” of citizens? How much of this are you willing to codify into law?

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
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                      @Axtremus said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

                      @Jolly, a lot of your proposed syllabus for Civics are covered between the typical public middle/high school courses on “American History” and “American Government” type classes.

                      @Jolly said in Nearly 1/3 of polled Democrats believe Americans have “too much freedom”:

                      And yes, a good civics course should teach the role of a good citizen in our country. With our rights come responsibilities. We are responsible for electing the best people to office. We are responsible to advocate for writing and passing the best laws our legislators can craft. Citizens are the ultimate authority on taxation levels, who and what should be taxed, and how the money raised should be spent.

                      That’s all you have to say about “responsibilities” of citizens? How much of this are you willing to codify into law?

                      If it's covered, why couldn't a large percentage of recently interviewed Americans name the three branches of government? Why did the majority of them not know what rights the 1st Amendment covers?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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