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"Second Chance Probation"

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    UPS driver steals $187K of goods - 24 months probation.

    https://cwbchicago.com/2023/09/chicago-ups-driver-louis-vuitton-theft-probation-sentence-court-news.html

    A UPS driver accused of diverting $187,000 worth of Louis Vuitton shipments to his Chicago home may have the case wiped from his record if he completes a 24-month probation program, court records show.

    In April 2022, prosecutors accused Pedro Caudillo, 27, of loading boxes of the designer’s goods onto his truck at the UPS South Loop warehouse even though they were slated to be delivered by a different truck. He then delivered the items to his home, officials said.

    Now, Caudillo has struck a deal. He pleaded guilty to theft of $100,000 to $500,000 and received a sentence of 24 months of “second chance probation” from Judge Lawrence Flood. If he sticks with the program, pays $25,000 in restitution, and performs community service, the charge will be dismissed.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      I wish we had great data on when ‘second chances’ help rehabilitate and when they embolden first time offenders.

      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #3

        That website track offenders who are on probation, parole, etc. - not so much as a database, but rather isolated incidents.

        Here's a week's worth of posts describing similar incidents:

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        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #4

          Right, where's the list of probationers that didn't re-offend? And where's the control group?

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            https://spac.icjia-api.cloud/uploads/Illinois_Result_First-The_High_Cost_of_Recidivism_2018-20191106T18123262.pdf

            Thirty-five percent of those sentenced to probation for felony offenses each year recidivate within three years of sentencing, and 17% will recidivate within one year.

            Thirty-seven percent of those sentenced to probation for misdemeanor offenses each year recidivate within three years of sentencing, and 19% will recidivate within one year.

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            These are older data (2018). I suspect it's not much different now.

            The UPS guy committed a felony. The odds are 50/50 he'll do something again in the next 8 years.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Right, where's the list of probationers that didn't re-offend? And where's the control group?

              CopperC Offline
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              @jon-nyc said in "Second Chance Probation":

              And where's the control group?

              Elected to congress.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
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                The control? How does that compare to those who aren't given probation?

                Unfortunately broad averages wouldn't really work. You'd need to have controls that match on a few factors (e.g. first time offenders committing x crime - group A gets probation, group B gets prison. What happens after?)

                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  The control? How does that compare to those who aren't given probation?

                  Unfortunately broad averages wouldn't really work. You'd need to have controls that match on a few factors (e.g. first time offenders committing x crime - group A gets probation, group B gets prison. What happens after?)

                  George KG Offline
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                  @jon-nyc said in "Second Chance Probation":

                  The control? How does that compare to those who aren't given probation?

                  Third row of the picture - that shows the population imprisoned for felonies?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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