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"Allegro con brio!"

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  • MikM Offline
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    It is different. Not quite as..percussive. I like it.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

    George KG 1 Reply Last reply
    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      Two wives ago? I thought you were on #2. I feel like I'm losing touch with TNCR. Sad. I'm still not over TG telling me she's an American citizen.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        Two wives ago? I thought you were on #2. I feel like I'm losing touch with TNCR. Sad. I'm still not over TG telling me she's an American citizen.

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        George K
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        @Horace said in "Allegro con brio!":

        Two wives ago? I thought you were on #2.

        Still am...but I thought I'd point out how long ago it was.

        I was in college.

        I'm still not over TG telling me she's an American citizen.

        Neat, eh?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Mik

          It is different. Not quite as..percussive. I like it.

          George KG Offline
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          @Mik said in "Allegro con brio!":

          It is different. Not quite as..percussive. I like it.

          Beethoven's metronome marking is 108 to the measure.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

          AxtremusA MikM 2 Replies Last reply
          • George KG George K

            @Horace said in "Allegro con brio!":

            Two wives ago? I thought you were on #2.

            Still am...but I thought I'd point out how long ago it was.

            I was in college.

            I'm still not over TG telling me she's an American citizen.

            Neat, eh?

            HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
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            #6

            @George-K said in "Allegro con brio!":

            @Horace said in "Allegro con brio!":

            I'm still not over TG telling me she's an American citizen.

            Neat, eh?

            Another solid Trump vote. Hopefully she lives in a swing state.

            Education is extremely important.

            taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
            • George KG George K

              @Mik said in "Allegro con brio!":

              It is different. Not quite as..percussive. I like it.

              Beethoven's metronome marking is 108 to the measure.

              AxtremusA Away
              AxtremusA Away
              Axtremus
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              @George-K said in "Allegro con brio!":

              Beethoven's metronome marking is 108 to the measure.

              There is some controversy about how accurate the metronomes were in Beethoven’s time. :man-shrugging:

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @George-K said in "Allegro con brio!":

                Beethoven's metronome marking is 108 to the measure.

                There is some controversy about how accurate the metronomes were in Beethoven’s time. :man-shrugging:

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                @Axtremus said in "Allegro con brio!":

                @George-K said in "Allegro con brio!":

                Beethoven's metronome marking is 108 to the measure.

                There is some controversy about how accurate the metronomes were in Beethoven’s time. :man-shrugging:

                Yes. I believe some were added by Czerny (?). Others might have been added by his editors/publishers. I also think I've read that Beethoven added some after his works were published.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Mik said in "Allegro con brio!":

                  It is different. Not quite as..percussive. I like it.

                  Beethoven's metronome marking is 108 to the measure.

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                  @George-K said in "Allegro con brio!":

                  @Mik said in "Allegro con brio!":

                  It is different. Not quite as..percussive. I like it.

                  Beethoven's metronome marking is 108 to the measure.

                  I'm not sure it's as much a matter of time as expression. But then I was never great at keeping time anyway.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    @George-K said in "Allegro con brio!":

                    Beethoven's metronome marking is 108 to the measure.

                    There is some controversy about how accurate the metronomes were in Beethoven’s time. :man-shrugging:

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                    @Axtremus said in "Allegro con brio!":

                    @George-K said in "Allegro con brio!":

                    Beethoven's metronome marking is 108 to the measure.

                    There is some controversy about how accurate the metronomes were in Beethoven’s time. :man-shrugging:

                    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/was-beethovens-metronome-wrong-9140958/


                    ...music historian Peter Stadlen has actually located Beethoven’s metronome. But the heavy weight was gone so he couldn’t test its operation. Which brings us to the mathematicians on this paper. They looked at the mechanical properties of the double pendulum metronome, to figure out which parts alter the device’s performance the most.

                    What they found, in looking into the history of metronomes, the mathematics of their behavior and the music of Beethoven is that the master’s metronome was probably not working so well:

                    How could Beethoven not note the occasional odd behavior of his metronome? A thorough account by Peter Stadlen gives the impression that the master was not entirely comfortable with the new device, most especially in the process of converting from beat frequencies to actual tempi markings for half-notes, quarter-notes, etc. Obviously, it would be very helpful if we knew more about the actual design of his metronome(s). We suggest that one or more of the devices could have been damaged, perhaps accidentally during one of his well-known violent temper tantrums. Whatever the case, our mathematical analysis shows that a damaged double pendulum metronome could indeed yield tempi consistent with Beethoven’s markings.


                    I should add that, regardless of how accurate LvB's metronome markings are, or for that matter how accurately his metronome kept time, "Allegro con brio" means pretty quick.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @George-K said in "Allegro con brio!":

                      @Horace said in "Allegro con brio!":

                      I'm still not over TG telling me she's an American citizen.

                      Neat, eh?

                      Another solid Trump vote. Hopefully she lives in a swing state.

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                      @Horace 555

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