The COVID Commission

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in The COVID Commission:

@Horace said in The COVID Commission:

@jon-nyc said in The COVID Commission:

If you think about it, Trump was a net imposer of Covid restrictions, Biden has been a net relaxer of them.

It's a little sad that that's what passes for thinking.

It's an observation. An empirical truth, which stand whether anyone thinks about it or not.

A disingenuous message using a facile truth. Yes I'm sure everybody gets it, no need to dive deeper.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in The COVID Commission:

@Renauda said in The COVID Commission:

What hysteria? Am not aware of any here. Might be a case of the usual localised exceptionalism

I have seen zero evidence of any hysteria whatsoever where I live. When people get Covid, they take a week off work, and then they come back to work when they're better.

The banality of hysteria surrounded us all. I was faced with the prospect of losing my livelihood if I didn't get the jab, for instance. This is common.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in The COVID Commission:

@Doctor-Phibes said in The COVID Commission:

@Renauda said in The COVID Commission:

What hysteria? Am not aware of any here. Might be a case of the usual localised exceptionalism

I have seen zero evidence of any hysteria whatsoever where I live. When people get Covid, they take a week off work, and then they come back to work when they're better.

The banality of hysteria surrounded us all. I was faced with the prospect of losing my livelihood if I didn't get the jab, for instance. This is common.

He's talking about the right's fear/fantasy that the hardcore restrictions are coming back.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in The COVID Commission:

@Horace said in The COVID Commission:

@Doctor-Phibes said in The COVID Commission:

@Renauda said in The COVID Commission:

What hysteria? Am not aware of any here. Might be a case of the usual localised exceptionalism

I have seen zero evidence of any hysteria whatsoever where I live. When people get Covid, they take a week off work, and then they come back to work when they're better.

The banality of hysteria surrounded us all. I was faced with the prospect of losing my livelihood if I didn't get the jab, for instance. This is common.

He's talking about the right's fear/fantasy that the hardcore restrictions are coming back.

I'm sure he can speak for himself, but it would be nice if there is consensus that hysteria (a word with a connotation of irrationality) once existed. Regardless of hysterical fears that it will return.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in The COVID Commission:

You need to read the article. That’s what I was responding to.

I read the article.

My point stands.

[Renauda]

@jon-nyc

He's talking about the right's fear/fantasy that the hardcore restrictions are coming back.

I don’t pay attention to that any more. That’s just how that bunch rolls.

[Jolly]

Then you'll have more problems the next time.

And there will be a next time.

[Renauda]

Possibly. It depends on the nature of next time.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in The COVID Commission:

The banality of hysteria surrounded us all. I was faced with the prospect of losing my livelihood if I didn't get the jab, for instance. This is common.

I remember a fair amount of hysteria associated with the sight of refrigerated trucks sitting outside NY hospitals.

The masks and vaccinations didn't bother me so much, TBH. I was quite relieved to get the shot, and the mask was at most an inconvenience. Maybe that's just silly old me.

[Renauda]

@Doctor-Phibes

….mask was at most an inconvenience.

That’s how I felt about most of the measures as well. An inconvenience.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in The COVID Commission:

@Horace said in The COVID Commission:

The banality of hysteria surrounded us all. I was faced with the prospect of losing my livelihood if I didn't get the jab, for instance. This is common.

I remember a fair amount of hysteria associated with the sight of refrigerated trucks sitting outside NY hospitals.

The masks and vaccinations didn't bother me so much, TBH. I was quite relieved to get the shot, and the mask was at most an inconvenience. Maybe that's just silly old me.

The response was perfect, and if it had been more heavy handed, that would have been perfect too. I get it.

[Horace]

@Renauda said in The COVID Commission:

@Doctor-Phibes

….mask was at most an inconvenience.

That’s how I felt about most of the measures as well. An inconvenience.

Sure me too. Lots of people lost their livelihoods to the restrictions, but the white color workers among us were fine.

[Copper]

This renewed Covid hysteria is unwarranted because, three years after the coronavirus outbreak spread from China to the rest of the world, we have learned that many government measures have failed to prevent Covid’s spread while causing undue harm.

That is correct.

All of that hysteria was driven by a desire for political advantage.

I am convinced that the masks the isolation and possibly even the vaccine were all worse than useless.

I have seen no evidence of trustworthy effort by anyone to do better in the future.

Covid turned our youth into mental cases and our government into an unreliable, untrustworthy, bumbling bunch of idiots.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in The COVID Commission:

The response was perfect, and if it had been more heavy handed, that would have been perfect too. I get it.

No, I think firing people who refused to get vaccinated was wrong. In part it was an over-reaction to some very stupid anti-vaccination rhetoric that appeared to be aimed at persuading people that the vaccines were dangerous.

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight can you point out a single country who got their pandemic response right?

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in The COVID Commission:

an you point out a single country who got their pandemic response right

Define "right."

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in The COVID Commission:

@Horace said in The COVID Commission:

The response was perfect, and if it had been more heavy handed, that would have been perfect too. I get it.

No, I think firing people who refused to get vaccinated was wrong. In part it was an over-reaction to some very stupid anti-vaccination rhetoric that appeared to be aimed at persuading people that the vaccines were dangerous.

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight can you point out a single country who got their pandemic response right?

I appreciated Sweden at the time and in hindsight.

[George K]

For that matter, what's the definition of "failure?"

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in The COVID Commission:

For that matter, what's the definition of "failure?"

Maybe a failure to learn from our mistakes, or refusing to acknowledge that we made any.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in The COVID Commission:

@George-K said in The COVID Commission:

For that matter, what's the definition of "failure?"

Maybe a failure to learn from our mistakes, or refusing to acknowledge that we made any.

Hence, a COVID Commission. Our response needs a review. A candid review with input from all sides.

Oh, it will be messy, but it could be productive. Especially if people believe the conclusions.

[Renauda]

@Horace said in The COVID Commission:

@Renauda said in The COVID Commission:

@Doctor-Phibes

….mask was at most an inconvenience.

That’s how I felt about most of the measures as well. An inconvenience.

Sure me too. Lots of people lost their livelihoods to the restrictions, but the white color workers among us were fine.

Am glad to hear that. I was already retired and didn’t really take notice.

I do know however that in the region where I live some white colour church goers seemed quite upset that they were restricted from congregating in church for Sunday prayers. Don’t know why though, as they could have just as easily prayed together with their immediate family at home or through virtual streaming on their home computers. Am quite sure too that it really didn’t matter where they prayed - whether at home, in a parking lot or alone in a field.