Bye bye Sudafed?
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Yeah, the real Sudafed is good stuff, this imitation they tried to pass off as the same thing is a rip off. Phenylpropamine Hydrochloride. That's the good dope, as far as using it during a cold. It is an ingredient for meth, but I'm not sure how much one needs to make meth. I remember years and years ago at Costco, I took note of cases of Sudafed illegal meth labs legally ordered, so I guess it took quite a bit.
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The drug in that picture might be called "Sudafed PE," but it is not what "Sudafed" was back in the dark ages.
Look at the ingredients:
- phenylephrine (Neosynephrine is the trade name)
- paracetamol (aka Tylenol)
- chlorpheniramine (aka Benadryl)
"Sudafed" used to have pseudoephedrine.
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It is closely related to ephedrine, a drug which has effects similar to epinephrine. Either pseudoephedrine or ephedrine can be, with the proper chemistry set, be converted to any number of illegal stimulant drugs.
!Looking around, "Sudafed," the real stuff is still available. Not only in it's real original form, but also in a host of other medications:
Zyrtec
Muscinex
Clariten-D
Aleve-DAnd others - at least as of the time that Wiki page was posted.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Pseudoephedrine HCl - Mrs. Phibes swears by that stuff. The other stuff she swears at me when I get it by accident.
I was only joking
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Pseudoephedrine HCl - Mrs. Phibes swears by that stuff. The other stuff she swears at me when I get it by accident.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Bye bye Sudafed?:
Pseudoephedrine HCl - Mrs. Phibes swears by that stuff. The other stuff she swears at me when I get it by accident.
I can't find anything about the effectiveness of oral phenylephrine wrt nasal congestion. I also never understood the rationale of using an antihistamine when the cause of the congestion is not allergies.
But yeah, pseudoephedrine is an effective drug.
Aside: I used intravenous (real) ephedrine in the OR all the time.
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The drug in that picture might be called "Sudafed PE," but it is not what "Sudafed" was back in the dark ages.
Look at the ingredients:
- phenylephrine (Neosynephrine is the trade name)
- paracetamol (aka Tylenol)
- chlorpheniramine (aka Benadryl)
"Sudafed" used to have pseudoephedrine.
Screenshot 2023-09-09 at 7.28.40 AM.png
It is closely related to ephedrine, a drug which has effects similar to epinephrine. Either pseudoephedrine or ephedrine can be, with the proper chemistry set, be converted to any number of illegal stimulant drugs.
!Looking around, "Sudafed," the real stuff is still available. Not only in it's real original form, but also in a host of other medications:
Zyrtec
Muscinex
Clariten-D
Aleve-DAnd others - at least as of the time that Wiki page was posted.
@George-K said in Bye bye Sudafed?:
The drug in that picture might be called "Sudafed PE," but it is not what "Sudafed" was back in the dark ages.
Look at the ingredients:
- phenylephrine (Neosynephrine is the trade name)
- paracetamol (aka Tylenol)
- chlorpheniramine (aka Benadryl)
"Sudafed" used to have pseudoephedrine.
Screenshot 2023-09-09 at 7.28.40 AM.png
It is closely related to ephedrine, a drug which has effects similar to epinephrine. Either pseudoephedrine or ephedrine can be, with the proper chemistry set, be converted to any number of illegal stimulant drugs.
!Looking around, "Sudafed," the real stuff is still available. Not only in it's real original form, but also in a host of other medications:
Zyrtec
Muscinex
Clariten-D
Aleve-DAnd others - at least as of the time that Wiki page was posted.
Mucinex would have to be a variant. Regular Mucinex is Guaifenesin (which used to be plain Robtussin. Try to find the plain stuff anymore...)
(Jolly, who is currently sucking promethazine-DM and taking benzonatate)
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Don't remember exactly which year, but years ago the pharmacies started checking state issued picture IDs and taking down names of people who buy Sudafed (the real thing with pseudoephedrine). First time I encountered that new process I asked the storekeeper why that is and was told that because people are buying Sudafed to extract its ingredients to make illegal drugs, they tightened control for the selling of Sudafed. I was also told there was a limit for how much Sudafed one can buy per checkout and how much one can buy cumulatively in a time period (I don't member what the limit is), that's why they take names to track how much each individual buy.
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Don't remember exactly which year, but years ago the pharmacies started checking state issued picture IDs and taking down names of people who buy Sudafed (the real thing with pseudoephedrine). First time I encountered that new process I asked the storekeeper why that is and was told that because people are buying Sudafed to extract its ingredients to make illegal drugs, they tightened control for the selling of Sudafed. I was also told there was a limit for how much Sudafed one can buy per checkout and how much one can buy cumulatively in a time period (I don't member what the limit is), that's why they take names to track how much each individual buy.
@Axtremus said in Bye bye Sudafed?:
Don't remember exactly which year, but years ago the pharmacies started checking state issued picture IDs and taking down names of people who buy Sudafed (the real thing with pseudoephedrine). First time I encountered that new process I asked the storekeeper why that is and was told that because people are buying Sudafed to extract its ingredients to make illegal drugs, they tightened control for the selling of Sudafed. I was also told there was a limit for how much Sudafed one can buy per checkout and how much one can buy cumulatively in a time period (I don't member what the limit is), that's why they take names to track how much each individual buy.
Nazis.
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We used to drive across the border to by the real Sudafed in Washington State. It was behind the counter at a pharmacy, and we had to show our Oregon ID. Now we are like all the big kid states' - we show ID and must adhere to the limits. I do wonder what that type of oversight costs, and I also wonder if there are now different ways to concoct speed.
