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  • HoraceH Horace

    @jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

    Strawmandering clearly exists and, at least here, you are its main proponent.

    ...and everybody who holds you to stuff you've explicitly said, is strawmanning you. Thanks for the objective and thoughtful assessment.

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    @Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

    ...and everybody who holds you to stuff you've explicitly said,

    Wrong. You literally said it.

    I’m still waiting.

    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

      ...and everybody who holds you to stuff you've explicitly said,

      Wrong. You literally said it.

      I’m still waiting.

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      @jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

      @Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

      ...and everybody who holds you to stuff you've explicitly said,

      Wrong. You literally said it.

      I’m still waiting.

      Yes my mistake. You’ve been intentionally cagey about the existence or lack thereof, of TDS. Therefore you have not explicitly said it doesn’t exist. You’re clever and I’m wrong. I’m sorry Jon.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Don’t worry man, over time I‘ve gotten used to it.

        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          #24

          Word games. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. The average voter doesn't slice thing that semantically thin.

          TDS, much like pornography, is one of those things that you know it when you see it. It's that obvious.

          OTOH, I though Donna Brazile made a cogent comment the other day...Trump Cult is not applicable, Trump Movement is. If you go back and look at the political roots of Trump before the election, you know where Trump came from...Trump listened to and worked the room, with a lot of the Tea Party folks. And I think much of that patriotism and concern for country permeated the Trump Campaign. It didn't spawn a movement, it just furthered it.

          Now, the GOP is changing. As the whiteheads die off, the national party will become more like the state parties. Broader based, still conservative. As less Americans attend indoctrination college and become more pragmatic in their political views, the Demonrats may well become the party of the white, college educated SIMPS and their partners, urban blacks and other gibmedats.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • HoraceH Horace

            @taiwan_girl said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

            Interesting, and I think true, analysis in the article, though I would say that Tim Scott is closer to the 4th lane than the second lane.

            DeSantis and Ramaswamy are leaning into the culture wars, which is why I presume Yglesias buckets them together. Why do you put Scott there?

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            @Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

            @taiwan_girl said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

            Interesting, and I think true, analysis in the article, though I would say that Tim Scott is closer to the 4th lane than the second lane.

            DeSantis and Ramaswamy are leaning into the culture wars, which is why I presume Yglesias buckets them together. Why do you put Scott there?

            I will have to look more into him, but my initial reading is that he is a "nice" Donald Trump. A lot of the same viewpoints and "rhetoric" but spoken politely and without name calling.

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              That’s not my take on him at all. But I’ve only heard him in one or two interviews. He is ‘nice’, in the sense that he’s trying to mimic a Reaganite optimism.

              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                @Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

                @taiwan_girl said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

                Interesting, and I think true, analysis in the article, though I would say that Tim Scott is closer to the 4th lane than the second lane.

                DeSantis and Ramaswamy are leaning into the culture wars, which is why I presume Yglesias buckets them together. Why do you put Scott there?

                I will have to look more into him, but my initial reading is that he is a "nice" Donald Trump. A lot of the same viewpoints and "rhetoric" but spoken politely and without name calling.

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                @taiwan_girl said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

                @Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

                @taiwan_girl said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:

                Interesting, and I think true, analysis in the article, though I would say that Tim Scott is closer to the 4th lane than the second lane.

                DeSantis and Ramaswamy are leaning into the culture wars, which is why I presume Yglesias buckets them together. Why do you put Scott there?

                I will have to look more into him, but my initial reading is that he is a "nice" Donald Trump. A lot of the same viewpoints and "rhetoric" but spoken politely and without name calling.

                Difficult to make any sense of this without specific viewpoints or rhetoric you're referring to.

                Education is extremely important.

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