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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
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    Shores up what I've said all along. reducing carbon is a good idea. We should do what makes sense toward that goal. A headlong plunge into EVs does not.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      Never forget, most of those EV's were powered by electricity generated by coal-burning plants.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Aqua Letifer
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        City planning to make neighborhoods self-sustainable and walkable would do more for carbon emissions than anything EVs could do.

        Please love yourself.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          City planning to make neighborhoods self-sustainable and walkable would do more for carbon emissions than anything EVs could do.

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          Jolly
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          #5

          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Graveyards of China:

          City planning to make neighborhoods self-sustainable and walkable would do more for carbon emissions than anything EVs could do.

          Bike paths. Don't forget bike paths.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #6

            Something else I'd like to see a return to (maybe prominent in your area, but not in mine) are dual use buildings...Either small shops with family living quarters above the business or apartments above businesses.

            If a person or family can do most of their shopping and entertainment in three or four city blocks square, they can walk, bike or heck, even take a small (golfcart sized) EV.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #7

              And another thing...

              I wish we would change the tax code even more, to facilitate the restoration of older buildings. The old hospital where I worked for many years is a prime example...Built in the mid 1930's, it has a lot of art deco design elements. The building, as according to the engineers and architects, is good for another 200 years...It has very good bone. But it also has huge HVAC, plumbing and electrical problems. It needs gutting (yeah, it has plenty of asbestos) down to the supporting structure inside and then all new wiring and pipes.

              But man, what you'd have when you got through...Three floors of whatever you wanted with enough parking for two or three hundred cars. Or multiple small businesses.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                And another thing...

                I wish we would change the tax code even more, to facilitate the restoration of older buildings. The old hospital where I worked for many years is a prime example...Built in the mid 1930's, it has a lot of art deco design elements. The building, as according to the engineers and architects, is good for another 200 years...It has very good bone. But it also has huge HVAC, plumbing and electrical problems. It needs gutting (yeah, it has plenty of asbestos) down to the supporting structure inside and then all new wiring and pipes.

                But man, what you'd have when you got through...Three floors of whatever you wanted with enough parking for two or three hundred cars. Or multiple small businesses.

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                George K
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                @Jolly said in The Graveyards of China:

                I wish we would change the tax code even more, to facilitate the restoration of older buildings. The old hospital where I worked for many years is a prime example.

                https://abc7chicago.com/cook-county-hospital-hyatt-place-chicago-medicaluniversity-district-house-hotel-west-side/6338347/

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
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                  How's the Chicago post office renovation coming? Is it open?

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The Graveyards of China:

                    City planning to make neighborhoods self-sustainable and walkable would do more for carbon emissions than anything EVs could do.

                    Bike paths. Don't forget bike paths.

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                    @Jolly said in The Graveyards of China:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The Graveyards of China:

                    City planning to make neighborhoods self-sustainable and walkable would do more for carbon emissions than anything EVs could do.

                    Bike paths. Don't forget bike paths.

                    Never do. 😄👍

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Something else I'd like to see a return to (maybe prominent in your area, but not in mine) are dual use buildings...Either small shops with family living quarters above the business or apartments above businesses.

                      If a person or family can do most of their shopping and entertainment in three or four city blocks square, they can walk, bike or heck, even take a small (golfcart sized) EV.

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                      @Jolly said in The Graveyards of China:

                      Something else I'd like to see a return to (maybe prominent in your area, but not in mine) are dual use buildings...Either small shops with family living quarters above the business or apartments above businesses.

                      If a person or family can do most of their shopping and entertainment in three or four city blocks square, they can walk, bike or heck, even take a small (golfcart sized) EV.

                      Where I grew up, the second floor of every building everywhere was a residence. Plumbing company, bar, restaurant, real estate office, marine outfitter, didn't matter.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Jolly said in The Graveyards of China:

                        I wish we would change the tax code even more, to facilitate the restoration of older buildings. The old hospital where I worked for many years is a prime example.

                        https://abc7chicago.com/cook-county-hospital-hyatt-place-chicago-medicaluniversity-district-house-hotel-west-side/6338347/

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                        @George-K said in The Graveyards of China:

                        @Jolly said in The Graveyards of China:

                        I wish we would change the tax code even more, to facilitate the restoration of older buildings. The old hospital where I worked for many years is a prime example.

                        https://abc7chicago.com/cook-county-hospital-hyatt-place-chicago-medicaluniversity-district-house-hotel-west-side/6338347/

                        Glad to see them do something with it. I wish they'd do something with Big Charity.

                        My old place wouldn't be that expensive to do...Much, much smaller building.

                        More than you'd care to know about the old Huey Free...

                        https://www.crt.state.la.us/Assets/OCD/hp/nationalregister/nominationpacket/LA_RapidesParish_HueyPLongMemorialHospital.pdf

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Something else I'd like to see a return to (maybe prominent in your area, but not in mine) are dual use buildings...Either small shops with family living quarters above the business or apartments above businesses.

                          If a person or family can do most of their shopping and entertainment in three or four city blocks square, they can walk, bike or heck, even take a small (golfcart sized) EV.

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                          @Jolly said in The Graveyards of China:

                          Something else I'd like to see a return to (maybe prominent in your area, but not in mine) are dual use buildings...Either small shops with family living quarters above the business or apartments above businesses.

                          If a person or family can do most of their shopping and entertainment in three or four city blocks square, they can walk, bike or heck, even take a small (golfcart sized) EV.

                          You must have grown up in Asia! That is very common everywhere.

                          Below is a pic I took from the internet from Singapore, but typical same in Taiwan.

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Was common here, from lawyers to grocers.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #15

                              Very common in my home town.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                George K
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                                My building is 4 stories tall.

                                First floor is a restaurant, dentist, financial advisor (Jones), and a dentist.

                                "Downtown" is full of dual-use buildings. Most of these buildings are over 100 years old.

                                Down the street from me:

                                Screenshot 2023-08-27 at 6.11.25 AM.png

                                Across the street from me:

                                Screenshot 2023-08-27 at 6.12.16 AM.png

                                Kitty corner from me:

                                Screenshot 2023-08-27 at 6.12.41 AM.png

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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