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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    Decertified in my town:

    "Village of XXXXXXX Holds Press Conference in Support of XXXX XXXX

    On August 22, 2023, the Village of XXXXXXX held a press conference in conjunction with State Representative La Shawn Ford in support of XXXXXXX employee XXXX XXXX, who was decertified by the Illinois Law Enforcement Training and Standards Board (ILETSB) earlier this year. The Village of XXXXXXX strongly disagrees with XXXX’s decertification.

    The Village of XXXXXXX hired XXXX from the XXXXX Police Department on February 13, 2023, after she completed a rigorous interview process conducted by the Village’s Board of Fire and Police Commissioners. Following her interviews, XXXX landed at the top of the eligibility list for police officers. Once hired by the Village, the XXXXXXX Police Department began the transfer of her credentials from the XXXX Police Department.

    An arrest from 2008 for retail theft of less than $150 was flagged during the credential transfer and prompted the ILETSB to decertify XXXX. The Village’s Board of Fire and Police Commissioners knew of the incident when she applied for the position, and XXXX was transparent and forthcoming about the arrest during the interview process. XXXX conveyed that nearly 15 years ago she was struggling with domestic-related issues while caring for her young child. She acknowledged that she made a bad decision that led to her arrest. The charges were eventually dismissed and vacated. With the opportunity for a second chance, XXXX decided to change her environment and create a better life for herself and her child. Many years after the incident, XXXX began working in various roles for local police departments before deciding to pursue a career as a law enforcement officer; a pursuit she believed would allow her to better serve the community and help others overcome their circumstances and find a better path in life.

    The Village of XXXXXXX is currently appealing ILETSB’s decision. The Village is committed to supporting its hardworking employees who help make a difference in the community. This is an oversight by ILETSB, and the Village will continue to support XXXX through the appeal process. There has already been an outpouring of support from legislators in favor of XXXX's reinstatement, including Governor J.B. Pritzker.
    The Village thanks all elected officials and members of the community expressing their support for XXXX."

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #2

      Can the village override this or do they have to appeal?

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        Somebody didn't grease the right palm.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          She's now 37 years old. She stole a shirt worth $15.00 and her son didn't have any clothes - she was living in an unsafe environment.

          Village claims it has the right to certify her.

          State says with this on her record, she would not be credible before a jury. I thought charges were dismissed?

          The board’s decision is listed as a “decertification,” making her ineligible to serve as a police officer at departments across the country, Buckley said. She was added to the Cook County state’s attorney’s office’s “do not call” list of officers whom prosecutors will not call on to testify in court.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            You'd have to convince me there is a national decertification.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • taiwan_girlT Offline
              taiwan_girlT Offline
              taiwan_girl
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              Seems like a "lifetime" ban on being a police officer is a bit too harsh.

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              • AxtremusA Offline
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                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                It's an Illinois decertification.
                Not sure whether state law requires that certification for local police departments' hiring.

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                • George KG Offline
                  George KG Offline
                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by George K
                  #8

                  https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/16/us/police-national-decertification-index-database/index.html

                  There is a Justice Department-funded police misconduct registry called the National Decertification Index (NDI). The NDI lists over 30,000 officer decertifications, which means states have deemed them ineligible to serve as a police officer. It does not track officers accused of misconduct.

                  Currently, there are 44 states with 45 agencies – North Carolina has two – reporting decertifications to the NDI, Becar said.

                  Rhode Island, New Jersey, Hawaii, California and Georgia are the only states that don’t report decertifications. Becar does not know the reason behind these states not reporting.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
                    George KG Offline
                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    F4PfRIcWEAAQy53.jpeg

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      She's now 37 years old. She stole a shirt worth $15.00 and her son didn't have any clothes - she was living in an unsafe environment.

                      Village claims it has the right to certify her.

                      State says with this on her record, she would not be credible before a jury. I thought charges were dismissed?

                      The board’s decision is listed as a “decertification,” making her ineligible to serve as a police officer at departments across the country, Buckley said. She was added to the Cook County state’s attorney’s office’s “do not call” list of officers whom prosecutors will not call on to testify in court.

                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      @George-K said in No cop for you:

                      State says with this on her record, she would not be credible before a jury.

                      Maybe she could run for the House instead?

                      I was only joking

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                      • JollyJ Offline
                        JollyJ Offline
                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #11

                        Is the board appointed? If so...

                        Dear Governor, have I got a suggestion for you!

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Is the board appointed? If so...

                          Dear Governor, have I got a suggestion for you!

                          George KG Offline
                          George KG Offline
                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #12

                          @Jolly said in No cop for you:

                          Is the board appointed? If so...

                          Dear Governor, have I got a suggestion for you!

                          LOL

                          The 18-member Board, created by the Illinois Police Training Act, has operated since 1965. Twelve of the 18 board members are appointed by the Governor of Illinois from various specified expertise subsets, and six ex-officio board members are executives of statewide, Cook County, and Chicago law enforcement.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-riverside-police-officer-committee-hearing-20230831-y2hxp7cbsnanndf5uuo6p63y6e-story.html?fbclid=IwAR0JTTIWFJAogPtT56GoAxnVXzMkTMbnGfyjIncq4l8bOvQZN6bfCOW8Jes

                            When former police Officer Zenna Ramos heard the decision that put her career back on track after facing the prospect of never working as a cop again, she began to sob.

                            The former Cicero officer’s career had been derailed in April when her certification was blocked by the Illinois Law Enforcement Standards and Training Board while applying to the XXXXXXX Police Department. The board had cited the $14.99 theft of a T-shirt in 2008 and another theft in 2003, when Ramos was 17 years old.

                            But Ramos, now 37, won an appeal Thursday when the board’s waiver review committee voted to rescind its previous decision to block Ramos’ certification. The reversal paves the way for Ramos to again patrol suburban streets.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #14

                              The phone call was made.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • taiwan_girlT Offline
                                taiwan_girlT Offline
                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #15

                                Seems like it was the correct decision.

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                                • MikM Offline
                                  MikM Offline
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by Mik
                                  #16

                                  She's a Cicero cop? Well shit, she's mobbed up anyway. A team player.

                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    She's a Cicero cop? Well shit, she's mobbed up anyway. A team player.

                                    George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #17

                                    @Mik said in No cop for you:

                                    She's a Cicero cop? Well shit, she's mobbed up anyway. A team player.

                                    I hate to say it, but you may well be right. Cicero, home of Al Capone for a while, is not known for its squeaky-clean government.

                                    I hope we are wrong.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG Offline
                                      George KG Offline
                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #18

                                      Sworn in:

                                      zlHppq4i.jpeg

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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