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  • J Jolly
    13 Mar 2024, 17:36

    BTW, since we're producing oil at an unheard of rate under The Rez, why has gas gone up 60/gallon cents in 60 days?

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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on 15 Mar 2024, 01:11 last edited by
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    @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

    BTW, since we're producing oil at an unheard of rate under The Rez, why has gas gone up 60/gallon cents in 60 days?

    "Refinery utilization."

    One example:
    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/power-loss-forces-bp-shut-biggest-us-midwest-refinery-2024-02-02/

    A friend of a friend was telling me what a nightmare that will be to restart that refinery. It is many many years old, and has been revamped and changed, etc. Probably never fully shut down in 50 years.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 15 Mar 2024, 03:26 last edited by
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      Ma'am, I don't think we down here, get a pint of gas from that refinery.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • J Jolly
        15 Mar 2024, 03:26

        Ma'am, I don't think we down here, get a pint of gas from that refinery.

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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on 15 Mar 2024, 15:11 last edited by
        #181

        @Jolly Exactly, so to replace the gas that is lost because of the shutting down of that refinery, it comes from other refineries, like those close to you.

        Supply decreases. Demand no change. Prices increase.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 15 Mar 2024, 17:55 last edited by
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          But, but, Mr. Biden is producing lots of petroleum!

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on 16 Mar 2024, 15:43 last edited by
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            LOL. @jolly. I think you are stretching a bit to blame the higher gas prices on President Biden.

            Its like me saying that it is all President Trump's fault that he did not get more refineries built when he was president. That is what is the current cause of the short refinery ultiltization.

            Im sure that @Renauda probably has better insight on capacity and demand in oil market.

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              Axtremus
              wrote on 16 Mar 2024, 17:09 last edited by
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              If you want new refineries "now" the time to start building them was 4~5 years ago.

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              • A Axtremus
                16 Mar 2024, 17:09

                If you want new refineries "now" the time to start building them was 4~5 years ago.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 16 Mar 2024, 19:33 last edited by
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                @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

                If you want new refineries "now" the time to start building them was 4~5 years ago.

                Marathon was built in 1977. The next U.S. refinery was permitted and built during the Trump Administration.

                Is Mr. Resident permitting any new refineries?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • J Jolly
                  16 Mar 2024, 19:33

                  @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

                  If you want new refineries "now" the time to start building them was 4~5 years ago.

                  Marathon was built in 1977. The next U.S. refinery was permitted and built during the Trump Administration.

                  Is Mr. Resident permitting any new refineries?

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                  wrote on 17 Mar 2024, 02:14 last edited by
                  #186

                  @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                  built during the Trump Administration.

                  Started up in 2022, due the overall guidance of President Biden. LOL

                  The reason the refinery was construct was to make ULSD (Ultra low sulfur diesel) for ships. The requirement for ULSD for ships was passed in during President Obama term, so we can say that he was responsible for this building of the refinery. (Even though the sulfur requirement is an international requirement)

                  (My point is that it is a stretch to say that one president or another is solely responsible for high/low gas prices. There is so so much out of their control)

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                    16 Mar 2024, 17:09

                    If you want new refineries "now" the time to start building them was 4~5 years ago.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 17 Mar 2024, 03:06 last edited by
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                    @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

                    If you want new refineries "now" the time to start building them was 4~5 years ago.

                    Probably more like 20 years ago or more. We don’t like to build things anymore.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      17 Mar 2024, 03:06

                      @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

                      If you want new refineries "now" the time to start building them was 4~5 years ago.

                      Probably more like 20 years ago or more. We don’t like to build things anymore.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 17 Mar 2024, 13:20 last edited by Copper
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                      @jon-nyc said in Bidenomics At Work:

                      We don’t like to build things anymore.

                      Front page this morning.

                      Demand growing for subs, workers

                      Newport News Shipbuilding hiring thousands as Navy’s needs continue to rise

                      By Caitlyn Burchett Staff writer

                      As the demand for nuclear-powered submarines increases, Newport News Shipbuilding said it’s working to hire 3,000 skilled trades workers this year and a total of 19,000 within the decade.

                      https://enewspaper.dailypress.com/html5/desktop/production/default.aspx?pubid=f5d212d2-1993-47fc-8d61-7dad92f77671&edid=3ca73816-70fe-4ae5-856c-42fcef7a74e2

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 17 Mar 2024, 13:26 last edited by
                        #189

                        👍

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                        • T taiwan_girl
                          17 Mar 2024, 02:14

                          @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                          built during the Trump Administration.

                          Started up in 2022, due the overall guidance of President Biden. LOL

                          The reason the refinery was construct was to make ULSD (Ultra low sulfur diesel) for ships. The requirement for ULSD for ships was passed in during President Obama term, so we can say that he was responsible for this building of the refinery. (Even though the sulfur requirement is an international requirement)

                          (My point is that it is a stretch to say that one president or another is solely responsible for high/low gas prices. There is so so much out of their control)

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 17 Mar 2024, 21:49 last edited by
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                          @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics At Work:

                          @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                          built during the Trump Administration.

                          Started up in 2022, due the overall guidance of President Biden. LOL

                          The reason the refinery was construct was to make ULSD (Ultra low sulfur diesel) for ships. The requirement for ULSD for ships was passed in during President Obama term, so we can say that he was responsible for this building of the refinery. (Even though the sulfur requirement is an international requirement)

                          (My point is that it is a stretch to say that one president or another is solely responsible for high/low gas prices. There is so so much out of their control)

                          The refinery I was referring to worked with shale oil. Wasn't familiar with a ULSD refinery. Where's it at and how big is it?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • J Jolly
                            17 Mar 2024, 21:49

                            @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics At Work:

                            @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                            built during the Trump Administration.

                            Started up in 2022, due the overall guidance of President Biden. LOL

                            The reason the refinery was construct was to make ULSD (Ultra low sulfur diesel) for ships. The requirement for ULSD for ships was passed in during President Obama term, so we can say that he was responsible for this building of the refinery. (Even though the sulfur requirement is an international requirement)

                            (My point is that it is a stretch to say that one president or another is solely responsible for high/low gas prices. There is so so much out of their control)

                            The refinery I was referring to worked with shale oil. Wasn't familiar with a ULSD refinery. Where's it at and how big is it?

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                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on 18 Mar 2024, 02:12 last edited by
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                            @Jolly It is the Texas International Terminals refinery in Galveston, Texas in the south of the US. It is small for a refinery however.

                            But I think that is the only "brand new" refinery to be build in the US recently.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 18 Mar 2024, 21:01 last edited by
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                              https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joann-bankruptcy-filing-stores/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=363930095

                              Fabric and crafts retailer Joann declared bankruptcy on Monday amid spending cutbacks from consumers and higher operating costs. The retail chain said it plans to keep its 800-plus stores open while it works through the restructuring process.

                              Hudson, Ohio-based Joann, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, reported between $1 billion and $10 billion in debt. In court documents filed Monday, the retailer blamed higher costs from shipping overseas products, as well as waning consumer demand.

                              As part of its bankruptcy, Joann said it has received about $132 million in new financing and expects to reduce its balance sheet's funded debt by about $505 million. The financing is "a significant step forward" to help Joann continue operating its stores, Scott Sekella, Joann's chief financial officer said in a statement.

                              The filing marks the latest in a series of major retailers that have filed for bankruptcy in recent years, including GNC, J.C. Penney and Party City. Brick-and-mortar retailers have struggled as Americans have increasingly shifted their spending to online rivals such as Amazon.com.

                              In Joann's case, the company was buoyed in the early days of the pandemic as the shutdown spurred some consumers to take up crafts and other projects. But during the past two years, Joann's sales have tumbled, with the company blaming consumer cutbacks due to inflation and other economic challenges.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                18 Mar 2024, 21:01

                                https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joann-bankruptcy-filing-stores/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=363930095

                                Fabric and crafts retailer Joann declared bankruptcy on Monday amid spending cutbacks from consumers and higher operating costs. The retail chain said it plans to keep its 800-plus stores open while it works through the restructuring process.

                                Hudson, Ohio-based Joann, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, reported between $1 billion and $10 billion in debt. In court documents filed Monday, the retailer blamed higher costs from shipping overseas products, as well as waning consumer demand.

                                As part of its bankruptcy, Joann said it has received about $132 million in new financing and expects to reduce its balance sheet's funded debt by about $505 million. The financing is "a significant step forward" to help Joann continue operating its stores, Scott Sekella, Joann's chief financial officer said in a statement.

                                The filing marks the latest in a series of major retailers that have filed for bankruptcy in recent years, including GNC, J.C. Penney and Party City. Brick-and-mortar retailers have struggled as Americans have increasingly shifted their spending to online rivals such as Amazon.com.

                                In Joann's case, the company was buoyed in the early days of the pandemic as the shutdown spurred some consumers to take up crafts and other projects. But during the past two years, Joann's sales have tumbled, with the company blaming consumer cutbacks due to inflation and other economic challenges.

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 18 Mar 2024, 21:36 last edited by
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                                @George-K said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joann-bankruptcy-filing-stores/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=363930095

                                Fabric and crafts retailer Joann declared bankruptcy on Monday amid spending cutbacks from consumers and higher operating costs. The retail chain said it plans to keep its 800-plus stores open while it works through the restructuring process.

                                Hudson, Ohio-based Joann, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, reported between $1 billion and $10 billion in debt. In court documents filed Monday, the retailer blamed higher costs from shipping overseas products, as well as waning consumer demand.

                                As part of its bankruptcy, Joann said it has received about $132 million in new financing and expects to reduce its balance sheet's funded debt by about $505 million. The financing is "a significant step forward" to help Joann continue operating its stores, Scott Sekella, Joann's chief financial officer said in a statement.

                                The filing marks the latest in a series of major retailers that have filed for bankruptcy in recent years, including GNC, J.C. Penney and Party City. Brick-and-mortar retailers have struggled as Americans have increasingly shifted their spending to online rivals such as Amazon.com.

                                In Joann's case, the company was buoyed in the early days of the pandemic as the shutdown spurred some consumers to take up crafts and other projects. But during the past two years, Joann's sales have tumbled, with the company blaming consumer cutbacks due to inflation and other economic challenges.

                                Oh my God, my daughter will be devastated. That place is her idea of heaven.

                                I was only joking

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                                • D Doctor Phibes
                                  18 Mar 2024, 21:36

                                  @George-K said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joann-bankruptcy-filing-stores/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=363930095

                                  Fabric and crafts retailer Joann declared bankruptcy on Monday amid spending cutbacks from consumers and higher operating costs. The retail chain said it plans to keep its 800-plus stores open while it works through the restructuring process.

                                  Hudson, Ohio-based Joann, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, reported between $1 billion and $10 billion in debt. In court documents filed Monday, the retailer blamed higher costs from shipping overseas products, as well as waning consumer demand.

                                  As part of its bankruptcy, Joann said it has received about $132 million in new financing and expects to reduce its balance sheet's funded debt by about $505 million. The financing is "a significant step forward" to help Joann continue operating its stores, Scott Sekella, Joann's chief financial officer said in a statement.

                                  The filing marks the latest in a series of major retailers that have filed for bankruptcy in recent years, including GNC, J.C. Penney and Party City. Brick-and-mortar retailers have struggled as Americans have increasingly shifted their spending to online rivals such as Amazon.com.

                                  In Joann's case, the company was buoyed in the early days of the pandemic as the shutdown spurred some consumers to take up crafts and other projects. But during the past two years, Joann's sales have tumbled, with the company blaming consumer cutbacks due to inflation and other economic challenges.

                                  Oh my God, my daughter will be devastated. That place is her idea of heaven.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 18 Mar 2024, 21:54 last edited by
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                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                  @George-K said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joann-bankruptcy-filing-stores/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=363930095

                                  Fabric and crafts retailer Joann declared bankruptcy on Monday amid spending cutbacks from consumers and higher operating costs. The retail chain said it plans to keep its 800-plus stores open while it works through the restructuring process.

                                  Hudson, Ohio-based Joann, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, reported between $1 billion and $10 billion in debt. In court documents filed Monday, the retailer blamed higher costs from shipping overseas products, as well as waning consumer demand.

                                  As part of its bankruptcy, Joann said it has received about $132 million in new financing and expects to reduce its balance sheet's funded debt by about $505 million. The financing is "a significant step forward" to help Joann continue operating its stores, Scott Sekella, Joann's chief financial officer said in a statement.

                                  The filing marks the latest in a series of major retailers that have filed for bankruptcy in recent years, including GNC, J.C. Penney and Party City. Brick-and-mortar retailers have struggled as Americans have increasingly shifted their spending to online rivals such as Amazon.com.

                                  In Joann's case, the company was buoyed in the early days of the pandemic as the shutdown spurred some consumers to take up crafts and other projects. But during the past two years, Joann's sales have tumbled, with the company blaming consumer cutbacks due to inflation and other economic challenges.

                                  Oh my God, my daughter will be devastated. That place is her idea of heaven.

                                  It’s a restructuring… She’ll be fine. But really? What does she do? Apparel?

                                  The Brad

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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on 18 Mar 2024, 22:35 last edited by
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                                    Sen. Joe Manchin on the American energy policy:

                                    https://wapo.st/43jrOol

                                    Joe Manchin: Our energy policy is a success. President Biden should be proud.

                                    I want to congratulate President Biden for the record-breaking energy production we are seeing in America today. The United States is producing more oil, gas and renewable energy than ever before. We are exporting more fossil fuel energy than we import. Our country has never been more energy-independent than we are today.

                                    .
                                    This is something to celebrate. And it would not have been possible without the Inflation Reduction Act and the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law that Biden signed. Thanks to these two historic laws, we are unlocking major opportunities throughout the country, implementing an “all-of-the-above” energy strategy that we need today while continuing to innovate the technologies we want for tomorrow.
                                    ...

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                                    • L LuFins Dad
                                      18 Mar 2024, 21:54

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                      @George-K said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joann-bankruptcy-filing-stores/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=363930095

                                      Fabric and crafts retailer Joann declared bankruptcy on Monday amid spending cutbacks from consumers and higher operating costs. The retail chain said it plans to keep its 800-plus stores open while it works through the restructuring process.

                                      Hudson, Ohio-based Joann, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, reported between $1 billion and $10 billion in debt. In court documents filed Monday, the retailer blamed higher costs from shipping overseas products, as well as waning consumer demand.

                                      As part of its bankruptcy, Joann said it has received about $132 million in new financing and expects to reduce its balance sheet's funded debt by about $505 million. The financing is "a significant step forward" to help Joann continue operating its stores, Scott Sekella, Joann's chief financial officer said in a statement.

                                      The filing marks the latest in a series of major retailers that have filed for bankruptcy in recent years, including GNC, J.C. Penney and Party City. Brick-and-mortar retailers have struggled as Americans have increasingly shifted their spending to online rivals such as Amazon.com.

                                      In Joann's case, the company was buoyed in the early days of the pandemic as the shutdown spurred some consumers to take up crafts and other projects. But during the past two years, Joann's sales have tumbled, with the company blaming consumer cutbacks due to inflation and other economic challenges.

                                      Oh my God, my daughter will be devastated. That place is her idea of heaven.

                                      It’s a restructuring… She’ll be fine. But really? What does she do? Apparel?

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                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on 18 Mar 2024, 23:30 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                      #196

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                      Oh my God, my daughter will be devastated. That place is her idea of heaven.

                                      It’s a restructuring… She’ll be fine. But really? What does she do? Apparel?

                                      She makes cosplay outfits for herself and her friends, dresses for herself, random projects like hats. Some of them are really good. She made a couple of hundred bucks selling cuddly toy things she'd made at college on Valentine's Day. It's also a good mental-health activity. The problem, as with everything she does, is she's a perfectionist, and when things don't go quite right things can get quite fraught.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        18 Mar 2024, 23:30

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                        Oh my God, my daughter will be devastated. That place is her idea of heaven.

                                        It’s a restructuring… She’ll be fine. But really? What does she do? Apparel?

                                        She makes cosplay outfits for herself and her friends, dresses for herself, random projects like hats. Some of them are really good. She made a couple of hundred bucks selling cuddly toy things she'd made at college on Valentine's Day. It's also a good mental-health activity. The problem, as with everything she does, is she's a perfectionist, and when things don't go quite right things can get quite fraught.

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                                        wrote on 19 Mar 2024, 00:04 last edited by
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                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                        Oh my God, my daughter will be devastated. That place is her idea of heaven.

                                        It’s a restructuring… She’ll be fine. But really? What does she do? Apparel?

                                        She makes cosplay outfits for herself and her friends, dresses for herself, random projects like hats. Some of them are really good. She made a couple of hundred bucks selling cuddly toy things she'd made at college on Valentine's Day. It's also a good mental-health activity. The problem, as with everything she does, is she's a perfectionist, and when things don't go quite right things can get quite fraught.

                                        That’s great!

                                        The Brad

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                                          8 Mar 2024, 19:02

                                          I get new brakes every 40k-50K (pads and rotors). Last set was November of 2022. $640. Getting a new set right now. $965.

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                                          wrote on 19 Mar 2024, 00:33 last edited by
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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                          I get new brakes every 40k-50K (pads and rotors). Last set was November of 2022. $640. Getting a new set right now. $965.

                                          Just saw this one. Car are getting more finicky, but pads&rotors for something like a 2018 Camry are less than 300 bucks (ceramic pads). It's the labor that has gotten ridiculous.

                                          Last week I had to have the fuel pump and sending unit put in my GMC. Like most stuff, they either dropped the tank or pulled the bed to replace the part. I also had a couple of wires with mouse damage, so they fixed that. Cost? $1000 with the tax.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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