The War On Math
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@Axtremus said in The War On Math:
@Horace said in The War On Math:
@Axtremus said in The War On Math:
@LuFins-Dad said in The War On Math:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
Half the population is below average intelligence.
No, half the population is below mean intelligence.
"Median", people, "median."
Median is the mean in a normal distribution.
The mean is not necessarily the median in other distributions that are not a normal distribution. "Median" works for all distributions, "mean" works only for some distributions.
We're talking about a normal distribution, unless you would like to claim the intelligence distribution is non-normal. For instance, maybe it's bimodal, with liberals at the low end, and conservatives at the high end.
@Horace said in The War On Math:
@Axtremus said in The War On Math:
@Horace said in The War On Math:
@Axtremus said in The War On Math:
@LuFins-Dad said in The War On Math:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
Half the population is below average intelligence.
No, half the population is below mean intelligence.
"Median", people, "median."
Median is the mean in a normal distribution.
The mean is not necessarily the median in other distributions that are not a normal distribution. "Median" works for all distributions, "mean" works only for some distributions.
We're talking about a normal distribution, unless you would like to claim the intelligence distribution is non-normal. For instance, maybe it's bimodal, with liberals at the low end, and conservatives at the high end.
Whether intelligence is distributed normally depends on the population. "Median" does not depend on the distribution but "mean" does.
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This should really go in the ‘mildly interesting’ thread.
I said ‘average’ because I’m not a gimboid.
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This should really go in the ‘mildly interesting’ thread.
I said ‘average’ because I’m not a gimboid.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
This should really go in the ‘mildly interesting’ thread.
I said ‘average’ because I’m not a gimboid.
This thread is the perfect place for math education. Education is not "mildly interesting" - it is essential. The equity and inclusion of all people depends on it.
Education is extremely important.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The War On Math:
@LuFins-Dad said in The War On Math:
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The argument was that a good engineer needed to be able to accurately present their ideas, projects, etc… in a manner that was comprehensible to non-engineers.Nobody, but nobody is learning that. Wanna know how I know? That's what I'm often hired to do and sadly, people think it's pointy black hat magic to be able to do so.
Be valuable enough in the technical aspects of engineering and the employer will hire you patent lawyers and technical writers to help take care of the nontechnical aspects of engineering for you. It's simple cost optimization. Why pay an exceptional technical talent $$$$$$ an hour to write simple English while you can pay a slightly above average writer $$ an hour to write simple English? You let that $$$$$$/hr. talent focus on doing the sort of things that only that $$$$$$/hr. talent can do, offload the less economically valuable tasks to cheaper labor. Same reason to hire secretaries and personal assistants to support senior executives, same reason to hire physician's assistants to support doctors.
It's the $$$/hr. technical talents (and these happen to be the majority) who need to also be good at communications.
@Axtremus said in The War On Math:
~~Be valuable enough in the technical aspects of engineering and the employer will hire you patent lawyers and technical writers to help take care of the nontechnical aspects of engineering for you. It's simple cost optimization. Why pay an exceptional technical talent $$$$$$ an hour to write simple English while you can pay a slightly above average writer $$ an hour to write simple English? You let that $$$$$$/hr. talent focus on doing the sort of things that only that $$$$$$/hr. talent can do, offload the load pu The only thing I can think of is that the first time you see less economically valuable tasks to cheaper labor. Same reason to hire secretaries and personal assistants to support senior executives, same reason to hire physician's assistants to support doctors.
It's the $$$/hr. technical talents (and these happen to be the majority) who need to also be good at communications~~
In today’s world the $$$$$ minds that can’t express themselves wind up making $$ working for $$ minds that know how to communicate and make $$$$$$$$.
Einstein wrote and presented his own work. Hawking couldn’t even truly speak or write and he still believed it important to present and communicate his own work. Oppenheimer learned an entire frigging language in 6 weeks because he thought it was important to lead a technical presentation in the Netherlands. But I’m sure they were wrong and you are as right as you usually are…
The Brad
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
This should really go in the ‘mildly interesting’ thread.
I said ‘average’ because I’m not a gimboid.
This thread is the perfect place for math education. Education is not "mildly interesting" - it is essential. The equity and inclusion of all people depends on it.
@Horace said in The War On Math:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
This should really go in the ‘mildly interesting’ thread.
I said ‘average’ because I’m not a gimboid.
This thread is the perfect place for math education. Education is not "mildly interesting" - it is essential. The equity and inclusion of all people depends on it.
When I said it should go in the mildly interesting thread I was lying
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@Axtremus said in The War On Math:
~~Be valuable enough in the technical aspects of engineering and the employer will hire you patent lawyers and technical writers to help take care of the nontechnical aspects of engineering for you. It's simple cost optimization. Why pay an exceptional technical talent $$$$$$ an hour to write simple English while you can pay a slightly above average writer $$ an hour to write simple English? You let that $$$$$$/hr. talent focus on doing the sort of things that only that $$$$$$/hr. talent can do, offload the load pu The only thing I can think of is that the first time you see less economically valuable tasks to cheaper labor. Same reason to hire secretaries and personal assistants to support senior executives, same reason to hire physician's assistants to support doctors.
It's the $$$/hr. technical talents (and these happen to be the majority) who need to also be good at communications~~
In today’s world the $$$$$ minds that can’t express themselves wind up making $$ working for $$ minds that know how to communicate and make $$$$$$$$.
Einstein wrote and presented his own work. Hawking couldn’t even truly speak or write and he still believed it important to present and communicate his own work. Oppenheimer learned an entire frigging language in 6 weeks because he thought it was important to lead a technical presentation in the Netherlands. But I’m sure they were wrong and you are as right as you usually are…
@LuFins-Dad said in The War On Math:
@Axtremus said in The War On Math:
~~Be valuable enough in the technical aspects of engineering and the employer will hire you patent lawyers and technical writers to help take care of the nontechnical aspects of engineering for you. It's simple cost optimization. Why pay an exceptional technical talent $$$$$$ an hour to write simple English while you can pay a slightly above average writer $$ an hour to write simple English? You let that $$$$$$/hr. talent focus on doing the sort of things that only that $$$$$$/hr. talent can do, offload the load pu The only thing I can think of is that the first time you see less economically valuable tasks to cheaper labor. Same reason to hire secretaries and personal assistants to support senior executives, same reason to hire physician's assistants to support doctors.
It's the $$$/hr. technical talents (and these happen to be the majority) who need to also be good at communications~~
In today’s world the $$$$$ minds that can’t express themselves wind up making $$ working for $$ minds that know how to communicate and make $$$$$$$$.
Absolutely.
There is no one here who should be surprised that you know this and Ax doesn't.
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@Jolly said in The War On Math:
Nobody should absolutely suck at math. Not up to and including high school level Algebra 1. Not if they are average intelligence.
Half the population is below average intelligence.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
@Jolly said in The War On Math:
Nobody should absolutely suck at math. Not up to and including high school level Algebra 1. Not if they are average intelligence.
Half the population is below
averagemedian intelligence.FIFY. In a thread about math we should get this right
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
Half the population is below average intelligence.
Except in Lake Wobegon.
@George-K said in The War On Math:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
Half the population is below average intelligence.
Except in Lake Wobegon.
That’s just the kids. The dumb ass adults balance it out.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
@Jolly said in The War On Math:
Nobody should absolutely suck at math. Not up to and including high school level Algebra 1. Not if they are average intelligence.
Half the population is below
averagemedian intelligence.FIFY. In a thread about math we should get this right
@Klaus said in The War On Math:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The War On Math:
@Jolly said in The War On Math:
Nobody should absolutely suck at math. Not up to and including high school level Algebra 1. Not if they are average intelligence.
Half the population is below
averagemedian intelligence.FIFY. In a thread about math we should get this right
Exactly. https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/230381
