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  • MikM Offline
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    George has illustrated exactly why we have specialties. My GP is a highly skilled physician, but he doesn’t interpret imaging of any sort. This NP stuff is nuts.

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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    • MikM Mik

      George has illustrated exactly why we have specialties. My GP is a highly skilled physician, but he doesn’t interpret imaging of any sort. This NP stuff is nuts.

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      @Mik said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

      he doesn’t interpret imaging of any sort

      Read post #31 - the doc says he relies on the expert for interpretation.

      I can spot a pneumothorax as well as anyone most docs. But, guaranteed, I'll miss the subtleties. And missing subtleties is what frequently kills people.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        I’m sorry, but nursing is starting to come across as very similar to teaching. Yes, there are dedicated professionals out there that truly make a great and positive difference in patients/students care. There are also a great majority that are clock punchers. That want the social approbation that goes with their chosen career but don’t truly have the welfare of those in their care at the center of their career. In and amongst that group is a minority that Carrie’s power. One that wants to elevate their standing. That wants an undue amount of credit and irresponsible levels of responsibility without the appropriate study, work, and accreditation necessary. They also want to bury anybody in their path. These are the Doctors of Nursing (or Education, for that matter) that insist upon being called Doctor. They push for greater responsibility beyond their capacity or what is appropriate. It’s very similar…

        Reading a couple of nursing forums where the CRNA’s rail against CAA programs and positions has been quite enlightening.

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        @LuFins-Dad said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

        I’m sorry, but nursing is starting to come across as very similar to teaching. Yes, there are dedicated professionals out there that truly make a great and positive difference in patients/students care. There are also a great majority that are clock punchers. That want the social approbation that goes with their chosen career but don’t truly have the welfare of those in their care at the center of their career. In and amongst that group is a minority that Carrie’s power. One that wants to elevate their standing. That wants an undue amount of credit and irresponsible levels of responsibility without the appropriate study, work, and accreditation necessary. They also want to bury anybody in their path. These are the Doctors of Nursing (or Education, for that matter) that insist upon being called Doctor. They push for greater responsibility beyond their capacity or what is appropriate. It’s very similar…

        Reading a couple of nursing forums where the CRNA’s rail against CAA programs and positions has been quite enlightening.

        Nursing has a very effective lobby.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          And...Nursing used to be a calling.

          Now, it's a vocation. With too many people doing it for too many wrong reasons.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            #40

            The teaching profession has been feeding off the narrative that they're underpaid heroes for as long as I've been alive. Any hero narrative will end up biting you as the beneficiaries take it for granted, and then want more, in a perpetual cycle. Similar to oppression narratives. Maybe there's a similar narrative thing going on with nursing.

            Education is extremely important.

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              #41

              A sexist would say... Is it because both nursing and teaching are female dominated professions?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                The sad thing is that the bill might very well pass as it can be seen as a way of lowering the cost of medical care.

                The Brad

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                  The teaching profession has been feeding off the narrative that they're underpaid heroes for as long as I've been alive. Any hero narrative will end up biting you as the beneficiaries take it for granted, and then want more, in a perpetual cycle. Similar to oppression narratives. Maybe there's a similar narrative thing going on with nursing.

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                  @Horace said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                  The teaching profession has been feeding off the narrative that they're underpaid heroes for as long as I've been alive. Any hero narrative will end up biting you as the beneficiaries take it for granted, and then want more, in a perpetual cycle.

                  Hmmm … I think I see a pattern:

                  • Soldiers as heroes … the military has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                  • Police as heroes … the police has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                  • Nurses as heroes … we have nurse shortage.
                  • Teachers as heroes … we have teacher shortage.
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                    @Horace said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                    The teaching profession has been feeding off the narrative that they're underpaid heroes for as long as I've been alive. Any hero narrative will end up biting you as the beneficiaries take it for granted, and then want more, in a perpetual cycle.

                    Hmmm … I think I see a pattern:

                    • Soldiers as heroes … the military has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                    • Police as heroes … the police has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                    • Nurses as heroes … we have nurse shortage.
                    • Teachers as heroes … we have teacher shortage.
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                    @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                    @Horace said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                    The teaching profession has been feeding off the narrative that they're underpaid heroes for as long as I've been alive. Any hero narrative will end up biting you as the beneficiaries take it for granted, and then want more, in a perpetual cycle.

                    Hmmm … I think I see a pattern:

                    • Soldiers as heroes … the military has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                    • Police as heroes … the police has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                    • Nurses as heroes … we have nurse shortage.
                    • Teachers as heroes … we have teacher shortage.

                    The police and soldier as hero narratives have long since passed. Obviously the mainstream narrative for police these days is villain. Soldier is still respected somewhat.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                      @Horace said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                      The teaching profession has been feeding off the narrative that they're underpaid heroes for as long as I've been alive. Any hero narrative will end up biting you as the beneficiaries take it for granted, and then want more, in a perpetual cycle.

                      Hmmm … I think I see a pattern:

                      • Soldiers as heroes … the military has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                      • Police as heroes … the police has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                      • Nurses as heroes … we have nurse shortage.
                      • Teachers as heroes … we have teacher shortage.

                      The police and soldier as hero narratives have long since passed. Obviously the mainstream narrative for police these days is villain. Soldier is still respected somewhat.

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                      @Horace said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                      @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                      @Horace said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                      The teaching profession has been feeding off the narrative that they're underpaid heroes for as long as I've been alive. Any hero narrative will end up biting you as the beneficiaries take it for granted, and then want more, in a perpetual cycle.

                      Hmmm … I think I see a pattern:

                      • Soldiers as heroes … the military has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                      • Police as heroes … the police has problem recruiting enough cadets.
                      • Nurses as heroes … we have nurse shortage.
                      • Teachers as heroes … we have teacher shortage.

                      The police and soldier as hero narratives have long since passed. Obviously the mainstream narrative for police these days is villain. Soldier is still respected somewhat.

                      God Bless our men in uniform.

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