The end of outsourced coders?
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wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 14:49 last edited by
So the guy who sells AI says AI is a good buy.
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wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 15:26 last edited by
So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?
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wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 15:34 last edited by Aqua Letifer
@mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:
So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?
Welcome to the discussion.
The hurdles as I see 'em:
- Coders, financial planners, radiologists, lawyers, creatives, business analysts, executive assistants, etc.: the point here is not that AI can do their jobs. It can't. But people think they can. The option actually on the table is, do you want it done crappily, right now, for free, in a scalable sense, or do you want good work over time that can't scale as much and costs money? Much of our short-term economic future will depend on how the market answers that question.
- If we decide that quality and value is still worth something, there will be shrinkage in just about every sector and the economic recession will be heavy, but maybe everything will still stay on the rails. But I doubt it. The Pareto curve of wealth will just get more extreme, and there are fewer greater statistical correlations than the one between income inequality and violence.
- If we decide to say fuck it and go cheap, it's not like the companies making those decisions will be all hunky-dory. So many will be out of work that their customer base is going to dry up in a serious sense.
And all that's just interim, from now until about 1-10 years from now. Wait until AI really is "artificial intelligence." That's when we get to play fun games like will one of them attempt to destroy humanity, or will these services just outsource all that makes life worth living.
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wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 16:06 last edited by
Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.
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Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.
wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 16:21 last edited by@Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:
Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.
I really don't see a way around it. I have no idea how any of this is going to express itself in practice, but the early shit I've seen so far is pretty unbelievable.
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wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 16:22 last edited by
@mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:
So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?
The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity
Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.
Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.
The AI industry will probably do something similar.
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@mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:
So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?
The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity
Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.
Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.
The AI industry will probably do something similar.
wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 16:49 last edited by@Copper said in The end of outsourced coders?:
@mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:
So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?
The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity
Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.
Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.
The AI industry will probably do something similar.
Computers are tools. (Some people, too.)
AI won't be just a tool.
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@mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:
So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?
The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity
Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.
Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.
The AI industry will probably do something similar.
wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 17:24 last edited by@Copper said in The end of outsourced coders?:
@mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:
So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?
The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity
Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.
Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.
The AI industry will probably do something similar.
Yep. Lots of us will have to monitor those computer sumbitches.
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wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 19:07 last edited by Horace
In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.
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In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.
wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 19:47 last edited by Aqua Letifer@Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:
In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.
Legitimate concern, and hell that's just capitalism.
Things technology has already fucked up:
- Social media has created activist kangaroo courts that can and have destroyed lives without due process.
- Social media's also injected more unrealistic comparison into our lives and encourages attention-seeking behavior. The result has been more depression and anxiety for everyone, especially younger groups who use these platforms the most.
- The false notion of more choices in the dating pool have created unreasonable expectations and failed partnerships. Add to that immediate access to incredible amounts of porn and other distractions, and it's no wonder we know what "incels" are in 2023.
Here's some additional fun shit you can do with AI most of which we've already started dabbling in:
Why be inspired by music when you can order AI to make pap that's perfectly tailored to your listening history and preferences?
Why have relationships at all when AI avatars are willing to step up and fill the void?
Why learn anything when ChatGPT can fake the knowledge for you?
Why read books to understand your place in today's world when writer AIs can produce bullshit distractions that'll be sure to make the NYT Bestseller list?
Why make or communicate anything at all? We have machines for that now. -
@Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:
Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.
I really don't see a way around it. I have no idea how any of this is going to express itself in practice, but the early shit I've seen so far is pretty unbelievable.
wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 19:56 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The end of outsourced coders?:
@Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:
Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.
I really don't see a way around it. I have no idea how any of this is going to express itself in practice, but the early shit I've seen so far is pretty unbelievable.
Not gonna hapen. Jon as told me for years we will have no civil war or revolution in this country.
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@Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:
In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.
Legitimate concern, and hell that's just capitalism.
Things technology has already fucked up:
- Social media has created activist kangaroo courts that can and have destroyed lives without due process.
- Social media's also injected more unrealistic comparison into our lives and encourages attention-seeking behavior. The result has been more depression and anxiety for everyone, especially younger groups who use these platforms the most.
- The false notion of more choices in the dating pool have created unreasonable expectations and failed partnerships. Add to that immediate access to incredible amounts of porn and other distractions, and it's no wonder we know what "incels" are in 2023.
Here's some additional fun shit you can do with AI most of which we've already started dabbling in:
Why be inspired by music when you can order AI to make pap that's perfectly tailored to your listening history and preferences?
Why have relationships at all when AI avatars are willing to step up and fill the void?
Why learn anything when ChatGPT can fake the knowledge for you?
Why read books to understand your place in today's world when writer AIs can produce bullshit distractions that'll be sure to make the NYT Bestseller list?
Why make or communicate anything at all? We have machines for that now.wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 20:10 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The end of outsourced coders?:
@Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:
In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.
Legitimate concern, and hell that's just capitalism.
Things technology has already fucked up:
- Social media has created activist kangaroo courts that can and have destroyed lives without due process.
- Social media's also injected more unrealistic comparison into our lives and encourages attention-seeking behavior. The result has been more depression and anxiety for everyone, especially younger groups who use these platforms the most.
- The false notion of more choices in the dating pool have created unreasonable expectations and failed partnerships. Add to that immediate access to incredible amounts of porn and other distractions, and it's no wonder we know what "incels" are in 2023.
Here's some additional fun shit you can do with AI most of which we've already started dabbling in:
Why be inspired by music when you can order AI to make pap that's perfectly tailored to your listening history and preferences?
Why have relationships at all when AI avatars are willing to step up and fill the void?
Why learn anything when ChatGPT can fake the knowledge for you?
Why read books to understand your place in today's world when writer AIs can produce bullshit distractions that'll be sure to make the NYT Bestseller list?
Why make or communicate anything at all? We have machines for that now.At the end of the day, bread & circuses cost money. Which is a lot of what we're talking about. AI can create many more idle people, but people with little or nothing to do get into trouble eventually. And masses of people equal big trouble.
One thing I'm a little bit optimistic about....As older people die off -those with relationships formed the old way - more media savvy generations will become less and less enchanted with social media for creating relationships, especially those of the most personal nature. Wife or husband hunting on-line (not the hook-up stuff), I predict will fade a bit...OTOH, that presupposes that monogamy still exists.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The end of outsourced coders?:
@Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:
In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.
Legitimate concern, and hell that's just capitalism.
Things technology has already fucked up:
- Social media has created activist kangaroo courts that can and have destroyed lives without due process.
- Social media's also injected more unrealistic comparison into our lives and encourages attention-seeking behavior. The result has been more depression and anxiety for everyone, especially younger groups who use these platforms the most.
- The false notion of more choices in the dating pool have created unreasonable expectations and failed partnerships. Add to that immediate access to incredible amounts of porn and other distractions, and it's no wonder we know what "incels" are in 2023.
Here's some additional fun shit you can do with AI most of which we've already started dabbling in:
Why be inspired by music when you can order AI to make pap that's perfectly tailored to your listening history and preferences?
Why have relationships at all when AI avatars are willing to step up and fill the void?
Why learn anything when ChatGPT can fake the knowledge for you?
Why read books to understand your place in today's world when writer AIs can produce bullshit distractions that'll be sure to make the NYT Bestseller list?
Why make or communicate anything at all? We have machines for that now.At the end of the day, bread & circuses cost money. Which is a lot of what we're talking about. AI can create many more idle people, but people with little or nothing to do get into trouble eventually. And masses of people equal big trouble.
One thing I'm a little bit optimistic about....As older people die off -those with relationships formed the old way - more media savvy generations will become less and less enchanted with social media for creating relationships, especially those of the most personal nature. Wife or husband hunting on-line (not the hook-up stuff), I predict will fade a bit...OTOH, that presupposes that monogamy still exists.
wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 21:33 last edited by@Jolly said in The end of outsourced coders?:
One thing I'm a little bit optimistic about....As older people die off -those with relationships formed the old way - more media savvy generations will become less and less enchanted with social media for creating relationships, especially those of the most personal nature. Wife or husband hunting on-line (not the hook-up stuff), I predict will fade a bit...OTOH, that presupposes that monogamy still exists.
I think that's already started to happen. From relationship counselors to influencers and advice columnists, there are now two kinds: urban faux-feminist hot messes, and more traditional people who, despite their problems, have their shit together. It's freaking obvious who's who and I've noticed that the latter is picking up more interest. They're being cited in the weirdest places, which wasn't so even 5 years ago.
We haven't done a 180 or anything, but straight-edge living doesn't get the eyerolls it used to, either.