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  • HoraceH Online
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    Horace
    wrote on last edited by
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    Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.

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      Aqua Letifer
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      @Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:

      Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.

      I really don't see a way around it. I have no idea how any of this is going to express itself in practice, but the early shit I've seen so far is pretty unbelievable.

      Please love yourself.

      JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
      • markM mark

        So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?

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        @mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:

        So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?

        The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity

        Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.

        Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.

        The AI industry will probably do something similar.

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        • CopperC Copper

          @mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:

          So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?

          The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity

          Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.

          Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.

          The AI industry will probably do something similar.

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          Aqua LetiferA Offline
          Aqua Letifer
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          #8

          @Copper said in The end of outsourced coders?:

          @mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:

          So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?

          The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity

          Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.

          Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.

          The AI industry will probably do something similar.

          Computers are tools. (Some people, too.)

          AI won't be just a tool.

          Please love yourself.

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          • CopperC Copper

            @mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:

            So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?

            The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity

            Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.

            Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.

            The AI industry will probably do something similar.

            MikM Away
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            Mik
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            #9

            @Copper said in The end of outsourced coders?:

            @mark said in The end of outsourced coders?:

            So, what happens when AI puts everyone out of work?

            The Golden Age of Man, peace, harmony, stability, prosperity

            Way back when George was young, computers were going to put everyone out of work.

            Eventually the computer industry created more jobs than it replaced.

            The AI industry will probably do something similar.

            Yep. Lots of us will have to monitor those computer sumbitches.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • HoraceH Online
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              Horace
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              #10

              In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • HoraceH Horace

                In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.

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                Aqua Letifer
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                @Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.

                Legitimate concern, and hell that's just capitalism.

                Things technology has already fucked up:

                1. Social media has created activist kangaroo courts that can and have destroyed lives without due process.
                2. Social media's also injected more unrealistic comparison into our lives and encourages attention-seeking behavior. The result has been more depression and anxiety for everyone, especially younger groups who use these platforms the most.
                3. The false notion of more choices in the dating pool have created unreasonable expectations and failed partnerships. Add to that immediate access to incredible amounts of porn and other distractions, and it's no wonder we know what "incels" are in 2023.

                Here's some additional fun shit you can do with AI most of which we've already started dabbling in:

                Why be inspired by music when you can order AI to make pap that's perfectly tailored to your listening history and preferences?
                Why have relationships at all when AI avatars are willing to step up and fill the void?
                Why learn anything when ChatGPT can fake the knowledge for you?
                Why read books to understand your place in today's world when writer AIs can produce bullshit distractions that'll be sure to make the NYT Bestseller list?
                Why make or communicate anything at all? We have machines for that now.

                Please love yourself.

                JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                  @Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                  Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.

                  I really don't see a way around it. I have no idea how any of this is going to express itself in practice, but the early shit I've seen so far is pretty unbelievable.

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                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                  @Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                  Yeah AI that takes all the jobs, breaks capitalism, leads to ultimate income disparity, and makes lives meaningless. Many people will cling to the ideals of capitalism, reject wealth redistribution, and the culture will get uglier and uglier. Bad news.

                  I really don't see a way around it. I have no idea how any of this is going to express itself in practice, but the early shit I've seen so far is pretty unbelievable.

                  Not gonna hapen. Jon as told me for years we will have no civil war or revolution in this country.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                    @Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                    In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.

                    Legitimate concern, and hell that's just capitalism.

                    Things technology has already fucked up:

                    1. Social media has created activist kangaroo courts that can and have destroyed lives without due process.
                    2. Social media's also injected more unrealistic comparison into our lives and encourages attention-seeking behavior. The result has been more depression and anxiety for everyone, especially younger groups who use these platforms the most.
                    3. The false notion of more choices in the dating pool have created unreasonable expectations and failed partnerships. Add to that immediate access to incredible amounts of porn and other distractions, and it's no wonder we know what "incels" are in 2023.

                    Here's some additional fun shit you can do with AI most of which we've already started dabbling in:

                    Why be inspired by music when you can order AI to make pap that's perfectly tailored to your listening history and preferences?
                    Why have relationships at all when AI avatars are willing to step up and fill the void?
                    Why learn anything when ChatGPT can fake the knowledge for you?
                    Why read books to understand your place in today's world when writer AIs can produce bullshit distractions that'll be sure to make the NYT Bestseller list?
                    Why make or communicate anything at all? We have machines for that now.

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #13

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                    @Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                    In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.

                    Legitimate concern, and hell that's just capitalism.

                    Things technology has already fucked up:

                    1. Social media has created activist kangaroo courts that can and have destroyed lives without due process.
                    2. Social media's also injected more unrealistic comparison into our lives and encourages attention-seeking behavior. The result has been more depression and anxiety for everyone, especially younger groups who use these platforms the most.
                    3. The false notion of more choices in the dating pool have created unreasonable expectations and failed partnerships. Add to that immediate access to incredible amounts of porn and other distractions, and it's no wonder we know what "incels" are in 2023.

                    Here's some additional fun shit you can do with AI most of which we've already started dabbling in:

                    Why be inspired by music when you can order AI to make pap that's perfectly tailored to your listening history and preferences?
                    Why have relationships at all when AI avatars are willing to step up and fill the void?
                    Why learn anything when ChatGPT can fake the knowledge for you?
                    Why read books to understand your place in today's world when writer AIs can produce bullshit distractions that'll be sure to make the NYT Bestseller list?
                    Why make or communicate anything at all? We have machines for that now.

                    At the end of the day, bread & circuses cost money. Which is a lot of what we're talking about. AI can create many more idle people, but people with little or nothing to do get into trouble eventually. And masses of people equal big trouble.

                    One thing I'm a little bit optimistic about....As older people die off -those with relationships formed the old way - more media savvy generations will become less and less enchanted with social media for creating relationships, especially those of the most personal nature. Wife or husband hunting on-line (not the hook-up stuff), I predict will fade a bit...OTOH, that presupposes that monogamy still exists.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                      @Horace said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                      In previous technological advancements, the case for creating more jobs than are lost, was easy to make. The social pushback was mostly in defense of those who would lose their jobs, but as a society, everybody was pretty sure it'd all be for the best. There is no such obvious case for sufficiently advanced AI. I'm not saying it's going to inevitably break capitalism, but it's not obvious that it won't.

                      Legitimate concern, and hell that's just capitalism.

                      Things technology has already fucked up:

                      1. Social media has created activist kangaroo courts that can and have destroyed lives without due process.
                      2. Social media's also injected more unrealistic comparison into our lives and encourages attention-seeking behavior. The result has been more depression and anxiety for everyone, especially younger groups who use these platforms the most.
                      3. The false notion of more choices in the dating pool have created unreasonable expectations and failed partnerships. Add to that immediate access to incredible amounts of porn and other distractions, and it's no wonder we know what "incels" are in 2023.

                      Here's some additional fun shit you can do with AI most of which we've already started dabbling in:

                      Why be inspired by music when you can order AI to make pap that's perfectly tailored to your listening history and preferences?
                      Why have relationships at all when AI avatars are willing to step up and fill the void?
                      Why learn anything when ChatGPT can fake the knowledge for you?
                      Why read books to understand your place in today's world when writer AIs can produce bullshit distractions that'll be sure to make the NYT Bestseller list?
                      Why make or communicate anything at all? We have machines for that now.

                      At the end of the day, bread & circuses cost money. Which is a lot of what we're talking about. AI can create many more idle people, but people with little or nothing to do get into trouble eventually. And masses of people equal big trouble.

                      One thing I'm a little bit optimistic about....As older people die off -those with relationships formed the old way - more media savvy generations will become less and less enchanted with social media for creating relationships, especially those of the most personal nature. Wife or husband hunting on-line (not the hook-up stuff), I predict will fade a bit...OTOH, that presupposes that monogamy still exists.

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                      Aqua Letifer
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                      #14

                      @Jolly said in The end of outsourced coders?:

                      One thing I'm a little bit optimistic about....As older people die off -those with relationships formed the old way - more media savvy generations will become less and less enchanted with social media for creating relationships, especially those of the most personal nature. Wife or husband hunting on-line (not the hook-up stuff), I predict will fade a bit...OTOH, that presupposes that monogamy still exists.

                      I think that's already started to happen. From relationship counselors to influencers and advice columnists, there are now two kinds: urban faux-feminist hot messes, and more traditional people who, despite their problems, have their shit together. It's freaking obvious who's who and I've noticed that the latter is picking up more interest. They're being cited in the weirdest places, which wasn't so even 5 years ago.

                      We haven't done a 180 or anything, but straight-edge living doesn't get the eyerolls it used to, either.

                      Please love yourself.

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